Oneness or Gospel of Thomas 18

[Fool]

If someone, suddenly became one with the whole, absolute, would creation cease to exist as they knew it? or would a new heaven and earth appear?


18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

 

[shunyadragon]

If someone, suddenly became one with the whole, absolute, would creation cease to exist as they knew it? or would a new heaven and earth appear?


18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

I believe this reflects the cyclic nature of our existence in both the physical and spiritual worlds. In our journey from spiritual world to spiritual world, and possibly other worlds results in an increased knowledge of the nature of reality. Our knowledge in this world is limited, and too many diverse conflicting claims by different belief systems claim to know, but in reality they do not.

I believe there is evidence of the spiritual journey, but at present it is mostly anecdotal and inclusive.

If this citation is from the Gospel of Thomas it is not accepted by traditional and orthodox Christianity.

 

[Fool]

I believe this reflects the cyclic nature of our existence in both the physical and spiritual worlds. In our journey from spiritual world to spiritual world, and possibly other worlds results in an increased knowledge of the nature of reality. Our knowledge in this world is limited, and too many diverse conflicting claims by different belief systems claim to know, but in reality they do not.

If this citation is from the Gospel of Thomas it is not accepted by traditional and orthodox Christianity.

thomas went east to india. most traditionalist and orthodox christians don't know, or accept this. even though the gospel they use tell them that jesus sent them forth to teach the good new.


on the first page of the following link you can see a recorded historical timeline.

Nasranis - The Saint Thomas Christians of India

 

[Phantasman]

If someone, suddenly became one with the whole, absolute, would creation cease to exist as they knew it? or would a new heaven and earth appear?


18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

It's a physical/spiritual message. The death of the flesh (life) is the beginning of spiritual (life). Christ is saying to accept it when you understand and see it. Born again. Discarding mother and father, for Mother and Father. The womb of flesh for the womb of spirit.

Galatians 1:
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

(55) Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters and take up his cross in my way will not be worthy of me."

(101) <Jesus said,> "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. For my mother [...], but my true mother gave me life."

(99) The disciples said to him, "Your brothers and your mother are standing outside."
He said to them, "Those here who do the will of my father are my brothers and my mother. It is they who will enter the kingdom of my father."

The beginning is the same place where the end is (of flesh understanding).

At that point you become a son of God over a son of flesh.

Not an orthodox teaching, even though the same thought does exist in Canon.

 

[Fool]

It's a physical/spiritual message. The death of the flesh (life) is the beginning of spiritual (life). Christ is saying to accept it when you understand and see it. Born again. Discarding mother and father, for Mother and Father. The womb of flesh for the womb of spirit.

Galatians 1:
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

(55) Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters and take up his cross in my way will not be worthy of me."

(101) <Jesus said,> "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. For my mother [...], but my true mother gave me life."

(99) The disciples said to him, "Your brothers and your mother are standing outside."
He said to them, "Those here who do the will of my father are my brothers and my mother. It is they who will enter the kingdom of my father."

The beginning is the same place where the end is (of flesh understanding).

At that point you become a son of God over a son of flesh.

Not an orthodox teaching, even though the same thought does exist in Canon.

reminds me of energy vs matter. after letting go of the material form and seeing life as fluid, the self realizes that life is perpetual.

 

[Phantasman]

reminds me of energy vs matter. after letting go of the material form and seeing life as fluid, the self realizes that life is perpetual.

Kind of. All life exists in the (eternal) mind. It all comes down to what lens the mind uses to view it.

When matter (and energy) is used up (eventually decays) everywhere, what is left? That which is not of matter (physical). Spirit. Mind. Thought. Soul.