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Monk Of Reason

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Yes, it's capitalism, socialism or anarchy. Communism is just the most extreme form of socialism. Fascism is socialism where ownership the means of production remain in private hands but under government control. It can be headed by a dictator or an oligarchy just like communism.
What you know of as capitalism wasn't actually coined or developed until Adam Smith in 1776. Capitalism simply means that the economic system is owned by individuals who work for their own private profit. Communism for example is where the government owns most production facilities and attempts to the best of its ability to provide for its people as a whole rather than having them hash it out. Socialism simply means that we are taxed and our tax money goes to social projects for the good of people. The terms aren't conflicting except for Capitalism and Communism. There is also Feudalism, Mercantilism, and a number of archaic methods of economics that don't fit into any of the above categories.

But capitalism and socialism aren't conflicting. We live in a capitalistic and somewhat socialistic nation now. The government builds roads, keeps up public library, schools, police and fire departments. Those are all socialistic in nature. Anarchy simply means that there is no government to rule. It doesn't have to mean chaos and you can have socialism or capitalism in anarchy.

Fascism is authoritarian government that has all the power. The inverse is a government that is controlled by people.


Which socialist tendencies? First, to clarify, technically all government is socialism. But the modern use of the word carries an anti-capitalist Big Brother meaning where government claims knows what's best for you, but in reality its first priority is inevitably the acquisition of power for an elite class.
It doesn't. It has been painted that way by those individuals who run propaganda to cut social programs so they can reduce tax rates.
A socialized healthcare system would be the only major thing that I would have in the US be changed. That and drastically improve our education system, especially our secondary education system.
 

Laika

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What "different signals"?

In a Planned economy, the 'signals' to motivate economic activity are derived from the planning authorities. In a Market economy, the motivation for economic activity is derived from price signals.

The main difference is that in a capitalist system there are more immediate rewards and punishments for risk. Where those incentives are weak or non-existent, sloth and risk-avoidance prevail with major differences in results. Results, something liberals rarely want to talk about. The much prefer to go on about their intentions.

Money is not the only incentive because man has an intrinsic desire to work, but it is crippled by a society which degrades human beings into a position of servitude where they are an appendage to machines or to desks.

I'm surprised you brought him up. Stalin, along with Hitler and Mao are the prime examples of what goes wrong with too much concentration of power in the hands of too few or the one--as socialism so often does.

The problem with this is it emphasizes the decision making power of persons such as Stalin and Mao. (I'm going to touch Hitler as he's not my problem). In reality, it took the willful co-operation of millions of people in the state apparatus to actually execute there decisions. Socialism does not therefore represent the concentration of power by individuals, but the mass mobilization of the powers of ordinary people.

All that is an argument against income being concentrated in government. Capitalism is the only economic system which actually best supports freedom. It's even better than anarchy since government's primary job under capitalism is the protection of property, as part of it's mandate to maintain good order. To paraphrase Franklin: He who trades too much liberty for security will eventually end up with neither.

To quote Franklin D. Roosevelt:"necessitous men are not free men".

Capitalism promote the freedom only of those who own the property to act. those who do not own property under capitalism are not in any sense free, and whilst they may not be legally dependent on other persons as happens in slavery, there remain economically dependent on capitalists through wage slavery.

The government enforces corporate law as well as the law for individuals. How is that self-regulating? The issue is too much regulation, not that it regulates? But that doesn't answer the question: how can a government be it's own watchdog?

It is only "too much regulation" if you argue that the market regulates itself by competition. Whilst Government can pursue a common objective, their remains an element of competition within it's own structures which holds it to account. it is simply that competition is not the primary mechanism for directing economic activity under a communist system.

Yes, it's capitalism, socialism or anarchy. Communism is just the most extreme form of socialism. Fascism is socialism where ownership the means of production remain in private hands but under government control. It can be headed by a dictator or an oligarchy just like communism.

I feel obliged to take this one up. The nature of the state is determined by it's economic system. the state represents the superstructure of a society rather than determining it independently of the economy. Fascism was built on a capitalist economic system defined by systematic concentration of corporate power, aided by the state which actively suppressed Communist, Socialist and Trade union movements. Fascism was not socialist, but was capitalist.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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What you know of as capitalism wasn't actually coined or developed until Adam Smith in 1776. Capitalism simply means that the economic system is owned by individuals who work for their own private profit.
Not that it matters, but capitalism goes farther back than that, having emerged over time.
History of capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Communism for example is where the government owns most production facilities and attempts to the best of its ability to provide for its people as a whole rather than having them hash it out. Socialism simply means that we are taxed and our tax money goes to social projects for the good of people.
I don't care for that definition of "socialism" because it's better described as capitalism plus the social welfare state.
Also, it doesn't even match RF's definition of socialism....
Definitions for the restricted political areas. | ReligiousForums.com
 

Monk Of Reason

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Not that it matters, but capitalism goes farther back than that, having emerged over time.
History of capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its why I added the "as you know it" qualifier.
I don't care for that definition of "socialism" because it's better described as capitalism plus the social welfare state.
Also, it doesn't even match RF's definition of socialism....
Definitions for the restricted political areas. | ReligiousForums.com
Neat. I stick to my definition for the purposes of the debate.
 

Monk Of Reason

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Nope, just slavery in exchange for goods or currency.
One could argue that it was caplitalistic in nature but only in so much as it was the first corporations. People usually were led by families rather than individuals. Though usually the head of any family was the one who ultimately made the decisions.
 

metis

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Capitalism existed long before anyone attached a name to it as we know that there was bartering going on for thousands of years before money even made an appearance. Even the feudal system had some aspects of capitalism built into it.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
You know, Nick Hanauer is right.

It does take more than a bit of deification.

He's an infomercial hack who give capitalists a bad name.

What you know of as capitalism wasn't actually coined or developed until Adam Smith in 1776.

What I know of as capitalism include merchants who go back 10,000 years and beyond.

Capitalism simply means that the economic system is owned by individuals who work for their own private profit.

No it means the opportunity and freedom to pursue economic betterment as the reward for utilizing their efforts and skills at providing goods and services where there is a demand. A boy running a paper route is a capitalist.

Communism for example is where the government owns most production facilities and attempts to the best of its ability to provide for its people as a whole rather than having them hash it out
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Dumping risk and reward in the process--and that's the best scenario. All dictators are socialists of whatever flavor.
Socialism simply means that we are taxed and our tax money goes to social projects for the good of people. The terms aren't conflicting except for Capitalism and Communism. There is also Feudalism, Mercantilism, and a number of archaic methods of economics that don't fit into any of the above categories.

Please note I've pointed out that technically all governments are socialist, but the term has come to be associated with heavy government involvement which is more in the interest of the elites than in the people they demagogue. Feudalism is just a previous word that amounts to socialism, and mercantilism for capitalism.

Those are all socialistic in nature. Anarchy simply means that there is no government to rule. It doesn't have to mean chaos and you can have socialism or capitalism in anarchy.

If there is no government rule, then there is no protection of property or other human rights which inevitably leads to chaos. But true anarchy is also a vacuum which will usually be filled, chaotically, and with an oppressive government. In sparsely populated areas, families or small tribes sometimes survive and thrive in isolation. I think that's the utopia so many socialists long for but is no longer available unless you want to live in Antarctica or some small island.

Fascism is authoritarian government that has all the power. The inverse is a government that is controlled by people.

Any autonomous centralized government will eventually have all the power, and the people will sell it to them for a song (re: B. Franklin).

It doesn't. It has been painted that way by those individuals who run propaganda to cut social programs so they can reduce tax rates.
A socialized healthcare system would be the only major thing that I would have in the US be changed. That and drastically improve our education system, especially our secondary education system.

What, give them more government control so they can better inculcate their propaganda and increase their control?

In a Planned economy, the 'signals' to motivate economic activity are derived from the planning authorities. In a Market economy, the motivation for economic activity is derived from price signals.

Micromanaging economic forces has always worked so well in the past, by committee especially.

Money is not the only incentive because man has an intrinsic desire to work, but it is crippled by a society which degrades human beings into a position of servitude where they are an appendage to machines or to desks.

Better to pay them not to work then, with the countries where laborers do work picking up the slack of the slackers.

The problem with this is it emphasizes the decision making power of persons such as Stalin and Mao. (I'm going to touch Hitler as he's not my problem).

Yes, Fascist national-socialists (Nazis) were at odds with communist socialism in WWII. But then those systems always breed dictators.

ALWAYS.

Look at the fascist dictator we have grabbing power as fast as he can here in the US, culminating a coup that was started back in the '30s--with all the useful idiots cheering due to their them vs. us indoctrinated mentality.

In reality, it took the willful co-operation of millions of people in the state apparatus to actually execute there decisions. Socialism does not therefore represent the concentration of power by individuals, but the mass mobilization of the powers of ordinary people.

Is that why tens of millions died under socialist government in the 20th century?--all that concentration of power was fatal.

To quote Franklin D. Roosevelt:"necessitous men are not free men".

Exactly, like all the Russians that died needing food that Stalin kept from them.

Capitalism promote the freedom only of those who own the property to act. those who do not own property under capitalism are not in any sense free, and whilst they may not be legally dependent on other persons as happens in slavery, there remain economically dependent on capitalists through wage slavery.

Life isn't fair. some are born with more than others: talent, looks, health, money, drive....etc. When you negate those advantages, all that's left are the megalomaniacs with all but the elite much worse off.
It is only "too much regulation" if you argue that the market regulates itself by competition. Whilst Government can pursue a common objective, their remains an element of competition within it's own structures which holds it to account. it is simply that competition is not the primary mechanism for directing economic activity under a communist system.

Bureaucrats compete! You admitted yourself that's bogus.

I feel obliged to take this one up. The nature of the state is determined by it's economic system. the state represents the superstructure of a society rather than determining it independently of the economy. Fascism was built on a capitalist economic system defined by systematic concentration of corporate power, aided by the state which actively suppressed Communist, Socialist and Trade union movements. Fascism was not socialist, but was capitalist.

Exactly again. It, like the US, started out a a capitalist entity. But the corporations were corrupted by the power government had to regulate them and forced their economic and political capitulation to the government like a bunch of sheep who were happy to be well paid useful idiots. And the people were whooped up into a holy war on the wealthy, increasing the power of the socialists exponentially.

Communism, taken to its logical conclusion, would have the world's population living on $5000 a year--the average income worldwide. But since the leaders will have to be compensated according to their "need", the rest will just have to be "able" to live on a lot less than that. You know, let them eat cake.

There were no jobs before capitalism?

Pretty much, no. Most were self-employed capitalists with only their families to work with, or slaves.

Nope, just slavery in exchange for goods or currency.

And currency didn't really come into it's own until the industrial revolution.
 

Laika

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we're obviously not going to agree, so I'll only reply to these two.

Look at the fascist dictator we have grabbing power as fast as he can here in the US, culminating a coup that was started back in the '30s--with all the useful idiots cheering due to their them vs. us indoctrinated mentality.

Obama is not a socialist. period.

But I profoundly dislike the way in which Mass Surveillance by the NSA has been left unchallenged and would consider that a "red flag" for the drift to an authoritarian dictatorship. I also agree that the US is indoctrinated by the mass media, but the dilemma is that it is happening precisely through a "democratic" and "constitutional" system of government.

Is that why tens of millions died under socialist government in the 20th century?--all that concentration of power was fatal.

I realize this is sarcasm, but actually you made my point. Communism (and Fascism) were new forms of dictatorships as totalitarian systems, and what made them new was the ability to mass mobilize their entire populations to achievement a political goal. the "total" nature of the dictatorship meant that responsibility for the deaths of tens of millions of people cannot simply be attributed to a single individual, but by the willing and active compliance of a great majority. That was what made them so powerful.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
we're obviously not going to agree, so I'll only reply to these two.
Obama is not a socialist. period.

Obama makes the Clintons look like a right-wingers. Bush was socialist-lite. He grew government more than Clinton did. Obama was raised by a communist step-father, and was a disciple of Bill Ayers who was so far left he was almost an anarchist--exploitation of manufactured/exacerbated crises. Socialism by any definition is government control of the private sector, which Obama expanded exponentially with the train wreck that is Obamacare. And train wreck is a very apt description since it takes Atlas Shrugged's railroads and substituted nationalizing health care with all of the government incompetence included.

Oh, uh.....period.

But I profoundly dislike the way in which Mass Surveillance by the NSA has been left unchallenged and would consider that a "red flag" for the drift to an authoritarian dictatorship. I also agree that the US is indoctrinated by the mass media, but the dilemma is that it is happening precisely through a "democratic" and "constitutional" system of government.

Corrupt government control (socialism) by any other name (authoritarian dictatorship) would still smell as bad. The stench is identical.

I realize this is sarcasm, but actually you made my point. Communism (and Fascism) were new forms of dictatorships as totalitarian systems

They're just new names for the same old tyrannies. It doesn't matter whether the dictator, monarch, emperor owned everything or not.

, and what made them new was the ability to mass mobilize their entire populations to achievement a political goal. the "total" nature of the dictatorship meant that responsibility for the deaths of tens of millions of people cannot simply be attributed to a single individual, but by the willing and active compliance of a great majority. That was what made them so powerful.

Germany much more so that the USSR--which merely shows that if you have the means, you can do it with popular support or without--once you're in the driver's seat.
 

Monk Of Reason

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What I know of as capitalism include merchants who go back 10,000 years and beyond.
The capitalism you know and love is only possible because of the regulations and laws that exist right now. 10,000 years ago it was simply trade. Any economic "system" that existed only existed as trends of this trade.
No it means the opportunity and freedom to pursue economic betterment as the reward for utilizing their efforts and skills at providing goods and services where there is a demand. A boy running a paper route is a capitalist.
And a corporation taking over as a monopoly is also capitalism. I agree with capitalism but it is also a dangerous thing. I am not apposed to fire but I also don't want to light one in my house unless its well controlled.
Dumping risk and reward in the process--and that's the best scenario. All dictators are socialists of whatever flavor.
The main difference between communism and socialism is that socialism usually runs on a capitalistic economy and is in reality only a form of government. Communism is both a form of government and economic system where the government owns the main production sources. In socialistic nations there wouldn't be any government ownership of companies. In a stretch of the word socialism at the basest of meanings to call it communism.
Please note I've pointed out that technically all governments are socialist, but the term has come to be associated with heavy government involvement which is more in the interest of the elites than in the people they demagogue. Feudalism is just a previous word that amounts to socialism, and mercantilism for capitalism.
If you think fuedalism is a word for socialism then you need to go back and read some on the subject. Mercantilism doesn't have to be capitalistic but it can be. Usually it only operates on behalf of a country and yet individuals can make a profit off of it. It is neither purely capitalistic and neither is it communistic by any modern definition.
If there is no government rule, then there is no protection of property or other human rights which inevitably leads to chaos. But true anarchy is also a vacuum which will usually be filled, chaotically, and with an oppressive government. In sparsely populated areas, families or small tribes sometimes survive and thrive in isolation. I think that's the utopia so many socialists long for but is no longer available unless you want to live in Antarctica or some small island.
Agreed. But the word Anarcy now has two meanings. One meaning no government and the other meaning chaos. They are not the same usages.
Any autonomous centralized government will eventually have all the power, and the people will sell it to them for a song (re: B. Franklin).
I'm getting an anti-government feel from you.
What, give them more government control so they can better inculcate their propaganda and increase their control?
I agree we should change our education requirements to remove such things. First to go is the traditional history of American children about thanksgiving. Then the removal of the holiday. Also there should be correct education based on the wars of America rather than the propaganda bullcrap that we see children learn. The only time America ever admits fault in high school US history is during the Civil war and of course its only to paint the south as some kind of evil and vile mini-nation devoid of morals and basic human decency. The winners write the history books and man has America wrote some funny ones.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
The capitalism you know and love is only possible because of the regulations and laws that exist right now. 10,000 years ago it was simply trade. Any economic "system" that existed only existed as trends of this trade.

Well yeah, but that's entrepreneurial capitalism regardless of when the term was coined.

And a corporation taking over as a monopoly is also capitalism. I agree with capitalism but it is also a dangerous thing. I am not apposed to fire but I also don't want to light one in my house unless its well controlled.

There are laws that apply to corporations pretty much the same as the laws that apply to individuals; the principle of limited government regulation is the same.
The main difference between communism and socialism is that socialism usually runs on a capitalistic economy and is in reality only a form of government. Communism is both a form of government and economic system where the government owns the main production sources. In socialistic nations there wouldn't be any government ownership of companies. In a stretch of the word socialism at the basest of meanings to call it communism.

A capitalist economy that succumbs to government controls and sever regulation, is no longer capitalist, it is fascism.

If you think fuedalism is a word for socialism then you need to go back and read some on the subject. Mercantilism doesn't have to be capitalistic but it can be. Usually it only operates on behalf of a country and yet individuals can make a profit off of it. It is neither purely capitalistic and neither is it communistic by any modern definition.

Under the feudal system, the monarch owned everything, either outright or through grants to the aristocracy, which could be recalled if the politics of power so allowed.

Agreed. But the word Anarcy now has two meanings. One meaning no government and the other meaning chaos. They are not the same usages.

Can you give an example in any sizable population where one doesn't follow the other?

I'm getting an anti-government feel from you
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I'm not anti-government, I'm anti-big government that exceeds its basic original mandates by miles and miles.

I agree we should change our education requirements to remove such things. First to go is the traditional history of American children about thanksgiving. Then the removal of the holiday. Also there should be correct education based on the wars of America rather than the propaganda bullcrap that we see children learn. The only time America ever admits fault in high school US history is during the Civil war and of course its only to paint the south as some kind of evil and vile mini-nation devoid of morals and basic human decency. The winners write the history books and man has America wrote some funny ones.

You do know that the true moral of the story of the Pilgrims was that capitalism worked when socialism failed. As for the rest of your suggestions, I think yours would take us to the other extreme. And what are you going to do when almost none of the authorities get it right, like with the Civil War. Almost no southern advocate will admit that the true (rather than technical) reason they went to war was indeed slavery. For evidence to start, look up M/Gen Pat Cleburne. And the North was not fighting to free the slaves, but to prevent secession, the principle of which by precedent going back to near the founding, was permissible.

Never mind the founders, the very first thing I think our young charges need to learn is that socialism started in this country in reaction to the Constitution becoming an inconvenience in the 30s. And that was accelerated, with an attendant surge in corruption, by the most corrupt and evil president in our history, Lyndon Johnson. But I know I'm spitting in the wind, and the jury is still out on Obama.
 

Monk Of Reason

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Well yeah, but that's entrepreneurial capitalism regardless of when the term was coined.
So you just mean free trade when you say capitalism then.
There are laws that apply to corporations pretty much the same as the laws that apply to individuals; the principle of limited government regulation is the same.
So regulation of corporations is a must. Currently our laws do not regulate corporations in the same way we regulate individual owners. There is next to no responsibility and if the companies does something illegal it can't go to jail. Sometimes individuals can be fired but usually there are self protective systems installed so no one important goes away. But I think this part is getting off topic.
A capitalist economy that succumbs to government controls and sever regulation, is no longer capitalist, it is fascism.
Is Canada a fascist country? I see America as far more fascist. I agree with your general definition but I don't know if we will agree on the specifics of what it means.
Under the feudal system, the monarch owned everything, either outright or through grants to the aristocracy, which could be recalled if the politics of power so allowed.
Good. Glad we got that out of the way. Absolutely not socialism.
Can you give an example in any sizable population where one doesn't follow the other?
Ask revolt. He has a link to one somewhere in central America or south America. I don't care to go digging for it at this moment. This is a tangent argument anyway.
You do know that the true moral of the story of the Pilgrims was that capitalism worked when socialism failed. As for the rest of your suggestions, I think yours would take us to the other extreme. And what are you going to do when almost none of the authorities get it right, like with the Civil War. Almost no southern advocate will admit that the true (rather than technical) reason they went to war was indeed slavery. For evidence to start, look up M/Gen Pat Cleburne. And the North was not fighting to free the slaves, but to prevent secession, the principle of which by precedent going back to near the founding, was permissible.
As for the Puritans they were an extreme religious faction that wished to change the Anglican church to be a pure and perfect version (their version) and remove all freedom of religion. They failed. A pro-catholic anti-puritan was given a high level of authority in the Anglican church and most Puritans jumped ship immediately. Their goal was make the new world into a perfect godly nation that followed puritan law. As you know this didn't work out to well. If any economic factors were at play they were insignificant in comparison to this.

But you are right. The Civil war was never about slavery till the very end. And even then it was just a way to gain support and create a moral high ground so as to gain the necessary popularity for the war. Shortly after the war began its was evident that the North was quickly loosing favor and so slavery was the noble cause that put fuel to the fire for the north. But as history writes it we will see a demonetization of the south. Not only was there a demonetization of the south but there were other offensive stereotypes added that exist to this day. Effective and correct history classes will fix this problem to an extent.
Never mind the founders, the very first thing I think our young charges need to learn is that socialism started in this country in reaction to the Constitution becoming an inconvenience in the 30s. And that was accelerated, with an attendant surge in corruption, by the most corrupt and evil president in our history, Lyndon Johnson. But I know I'm spitting in the wind, and the jury is still out on Obama.
Terrible thing that... public education and regulations on water and food. And whole groups of people devoted for safety? Just ruined America. Sarcasm aside it was a necessary development that every nation at some point reaches when its population is large enough. Socialism isnt' the enemy and does not have a history of destroying economies. A good example is that Canada is currently doing better than the US for the average citizen. It is far more socialistic than America. Currently America is below average for Canada and Europe for upward mobility and small businesses. So far our current policies are not working.

On a side note I don't like Obama at all anymore. I'll be its for different reasons though.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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The capitalism you know and love is only possible because of the regulations and laws that exist right now. 10,000 years ago it was simply trade. Any economic "system" that existed only existed as trends of this trade.
This isn't true. Capitalism has thrived in lawless areas. People self organize in a governmental vacuum, eg, Americastanian westward expansion. But all economic systems benefit from having government provide common elements such as defense of the country, courts, police, & useful regulation. Capitalism differs from some other systems (eg, communism, socialism) in that government isn't an essential component, ie, capitalism can happen without government. Communism & socialism (on a countrywide scale) can exist only when there's a government powerful enuf to impose such a system upon all, & prevent flare ups of capitalism among the people.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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Currently our laws do not regulate corporations in the same way we regulate individual owners. There is next to no responsibility and if the companies does something illegal it can't go to jail. Sometimes individuals can be fired but usually there are self protective systems installed so no one important goes away. But I think this part is getting off topic.
Business corporations are regulated just the same as non-corporate forms of ownership. In fact, publicly traded corporations are more closely regulated. Of course, a corporation cannot be imprisoned, but just as with sole proprietorships, partnerships, & limited liability companies, individuals who break the law can be prosecuted & jailed. It happens.
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43293.pdf
 

Wirey

Fartist
One could argue that it was caplitalistic in nature but only in so much as it was the first corporations. People usually were led by families rather than individuals. Though usually the head of any family was the one who ultimately made the decisions.

Uh, that was a joke. Slavery for currency is a job.
 

Monk Of Reason

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OK...I've seen everyth

This isn't true. Capitalism has thrived in lawless areas. People self organize in a governmental vacuum, eg, Americastanian westward expansion. But all economic systems benefit from having government provide common elements such as defense of the country, courts, police, & useful regulation. Capitalism differs from some other systems (eg, communism, socialism) in that government isn't an essential component, ie, capitalism can happen without government. Communism & socialism (on a countrywide scale) can exist only when there's a government powerful enuf to impose such a system upon all, & prevent flare ups of capitalism among the people.
In some cases they self organize. In some cases its might makes right. To have a fully capitalistic system there has to be rules set in place with some form of punishment for those that break those rules. Capitalism doesn't work if people lie cheat and steal as business tactics.

Business corporations are regulated just the same as non-corporate forms of ownership. In fact, publicly traded corporations are more closely regulated. Of course, a corporation cannot be imprisoned, but just as with sole proprietorships, partnerships, & limited liability companies, individuals who break the law can be prosecuted & jailed. It happens.
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43293.pdf
I suppose I should have said proportional regulation. There is not proportional regulation to the degree of power corporations have. The tax structure for example vastly favors corporations as entities rather than small businesses.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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In some cases they self organize. In some cases its might makes right. To have a fully capitalistic system there has to be rules set in place with some form of punishment for those that break those rules. Capitalism doesn't work if people lie cheat and steal as business tactics.
Capitalism (as will other systems) will still work if there's crime. But it's less efficient if there isn't a justice system within which to operate.
Remember...I'm not arguing against government....in fact, I maintain it's beneficial (up to a point) to capitalism.
But government is not a necessary condition for capitalism to exist (unlike socialism).
I suppose I should have said proportional regulation. There is not proportional regulation to the degree of power corporations have. The tax structure for example vastly favors corporations as entities rather than small businesses.
Corporations & their owners actually pay a higher tax than non-corporations because of double taxation. This is one reason I have LLCs (limited liability companies) instead of corporations. Corporations do have some tax advantages, but they also have disadvantages. Businesses generally adopt that form of ownership for organizational, financing & liability reasons.
 
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