Only God is Jagadguru

[Shantanu]

Within all humans, yes, God is everywhere, just not concentrated in one, like some followers of some Gurus think. The way some folks can go on about their Guru, the Guru's body would implode from all that supposed power.

God permeates everyone. Old souls are wiser than young souls. So a Guru in the traditional sense is an old soul, someone who is well qualified, and willing to pass His/Her knowledge onto others.

But schools vary.

I see. You do not think that God is a living Entity who takes interest in the activities of individual beings and through his powers of control affects the functioning of the world in which different types of beings of blends of rajasic, tamasic and sattvic guna coexist. According to your school God just exists within all human beings: doing what may I ask?

 

[Vinayaka]

I see. You do not think that God is a living Entity who takes interest in the activities of individual beings and through his powers of control affects the functioning of the world in which different types of beings of blends of rajasic, tamasic and sattvic guna coexist. According to your school God just exists within all human beings: doing what may I ask?

Where did I say that? Just because God is within everyone doesn't mean He's also simultaneously not helping individuals? The concept of God permeating everything doesn't insinuate He/She is inactive.

 

[Shantanu]

Where did I say that? Just because God is within everyone doesn't mean He's also simultaneously not helping individuals? The concept of God permeating everything doesn't insinuate He/She is inactive.

In my personal school of belief, God is within everyone (body and mind) but lies dormant and the individual is ruled through the blend of gunas that he has acquired from the atoms and molecules that he is constituted by. Now, it has been made possible through the maya (creative powers of God) that an individual can transcend the gunas that he has acquired and surrender to God (take refuge in Him). In doing so God from being dormant becomes activated in the individual and blesses the individual with guidance on how to do what he needs to do to fulfill his dharma to the best of his abilities. These blessings come by way of thoughts to the mind of the individual that helps the individual understand the world around him with perfect knowledge on which to base decision. This then assists the individual to survive with dignity.

The individual so becomes a guru with the powers of God to influence his actions. The guru acquires a following because he is believed to be an avatar.

 

[spyrichuwel]

The yogasutras talk about how Ishvara is the Adi Guru.

I will give me reasonings as to why Ishvara and only Ishvara can be Jagat Guru. The main reasoning being obviously that he is Omniscient.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Where did I say that? Just because God is within everyone doesn't mean He's also simultaneously not helping individuals? The concept of God permeating everything doesn't insinuate He/She is inactive.

Permeates, constitutes, active, inactive, exists, does not exists, real unreal, material, non-material. There are various views about it. Solely depends on the person as to how he/she takes it.

 

[Shantanu]

Permeates, constitutes, active, inactive, exists, does not exists, real unreal, material, non-material. There are various views about it. Solely depends on the person as to how he/she takes it.

To experience the joy of living with God as Paramatma guiding one with the right thoughts is something that is indescribable. Dharma rakshati rak****a.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Dharma is independent of Gods and goddesses.

 

[Shantanu]

Dharma is independent of Gods and goddesses.

Dharma is independent of God in the sense that one does not need God to tell us what dharma is, for ideal dharma is determined through the truth path. When doing dharma protects the individual surely dharma is not something that is powerless.