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Opinions about Saudi people.

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Hey guys!

I found this Youtube video about some opinions on Saudi people and I thought I'd share it with you. I know that this is only one side and no peoples are perfect, but this video does show opinions nevertheless.


It goes back and forth with the same persons, so I guess you will have to see it all, and cope with some of the random stuff said by one of them that kinda does not make sense because of not being shot in full for them. Also, sorry for having the lady blurred out. It was the author, and by our standards it does not mean belittling women. The bigger picture and the main point are what matter after all.

First, one must emphasis that :
1. Generalization is not a good idea.
2. Saudi is a very diverse Society, where you have the Shiites, the Wahhabis, the Moderate non-Wahhabi Sunnis, and also there are the Bedouins and the civilized people.

Now what i can say is this:

Saudi has been ruled by one family for long now. This has influenced the reality on the ground. We must say that Wahhabis now have an upper hand in Saudi, and Saudi became very associated with Wahhabism, and all that is attached to Wahhabism.
 

NewChapter

GiveMeATicketToWork
Hey guys!

I found this Youtube video about some opinions on Saudi people and I thought I'd share it with you. I know that this is only one side and no peoples are perfect, but this video does show opinions nevertheless.


It goes back and forth with the same persons, so I guess you will have to see it all, and cope with some of the random stuff said by one of them that kinda does not make sense because of not being shot in full for them. Also, sorry for having the lady blurred out. It was the author, and by our standards it does not mean belittling women. The bigger picture and the main point are what matter after all.

Also I've heard that they can be racist against Blacks, too.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So far, I think I'm the only one. Women are able to post here, yes, but those who know English, utilize it in having a life instead of fooling around here like me.
Saudi women there could come here & converse even with unrelated males, eh?
Would they be able to do this without family chaperoning?
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
I think that basically people are people with good and bad in every country. I tend to take my impressions of people on an individual basis. As far as Saudi Arabian people, Smart Guy is the only one I know and the impression I have of him from our conversations is a good one. He would be welcome to visit my home if he were ever in my area.


But I bet you would make him leave his camel in the front yard; aye, there's the rub.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Also I've heard that they can be racist against Blacks, too.

Anyone can be racist against anyone. But in different levels, one should confirm that themselves. People do talk and sell such words for free ;)

Saudi women there could come here & converse even with unrelated males, eh?
Would they be able to do this without family chaperoning?

Ah, they work as receptionists, operators, customer service attendants, etc. everywhere around here. When I went to the hospital today, two Saudi women helped me. The internet, which is much easier to get and access, is way easier than that.

But I bet you would make him leave his camel in the front yard; aye, there's the rub.

I'm afraid it's in the workshop now. The head gasket is leaking both... !?!?!

Huh?
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I like to think of it like people think of the lottery, as a stupid tax.
Not many do think of it that way. Many people see it as their ticket to their dreams.
I have no more say over what happens in Saudi Arabia than I do with what happens in Thailand.
But you do live in Australia, where there are injustices. That was the point - anywhere you look you will see injustices and lots of people who do nothing about them.

And if you think boycotting works, then you're not seeing the bigger picture.
You're the one who brought up boycotting.
 

Maponos

Welcome to the Opera
Homosexuality is not the only issue. And lets be honest, in many places in America it's not even been legal to be gay for a century yet.
Everywhere in the US, it's legal to be gay. I live in the Deep South and have lived perfectly well-off for a gay man. Homosexuality isn't the only issue, of course, but it's one very troublesome issue for me, for obvious reasons.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Everywhere in the US, it's legal to be gay. I live in the Deep South and have lived perfectly well-off for a gay man. Homosexuality isn't the only issue, of course, but it's one very troublesome issue for me, for obvious reasons.
Today it is, but many are still alive who remember when being homosexual or transgender was illegal. Even during McCarthiesm, homosexuals were "suspect," along with Communists and Anarchists. Homosexuality was considered a disorder. The state didn't kill homosexuals back then, but mistreatment, including beatings and killings, were often times tolerated.
And, as I said, homosexuality is far from the only issue. America, as a state, has itself a very ugly, nasty, and very bloody past, and even today human rights violations and corruption are rampant. Not the worst in the world, but the majority is clearly unhappy is the state. Such as, the Wall Street Bail Outs were extremely and widely unpopular with the citizens, but the government let it happen anyways. iPhone's are extremely popular, but that doesn't mean the average consumer consciously supports the extreme exploitation that goes into the manufacturing of iPhones.
 

Maponos

Welcome to the Opera
Today it is, but many are still alive who remember when being homosexual or transgender was illegal. Even during McCarthiesm, homosexuals were "suspect," along with Communists and Anarchists. Homosexuality was considered a disorder. The state didn't kill homosexuals back then, but mistreatment, including beatings and killings, were often times tolerated.
And, as I said, homosexuality is far from the only issue. America, as a state, has itself a very ugly, nasty, and very bloody past, and even today human rights violations and corruption are rampant. Not the worst in the world, but the majority is clearly unhappy is the state. Such as, the Wall Street Bail Outs were extremely and widely unpopular with the citizens, but the government let it happen anyways. iPhone's are extremely popular, but that doesn't mean the average consumer consciously supports the extreme exploitation that goes into the manufacturing of iPhones.
I think you're entirely missing the point.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Guys, the comment about the West related to family bonds (0:40) caught my attention. Is it true, and to what extent?
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Everywhere in the US, it's legal to be gay. I live in the Deep South and have lived perfectly well-off for a gay man. Homosexuality isn't the only issue, of course, but it's one very troublesome issue for me, for obvious reasons.

Well, we can always use help color co-ordinatin' our pick-up trucks.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I think you're entirely missing the point.
I think you're entirely missing the point. America, not all that long ago, legally considered you "less than" if you weren't a white heterosexual Christian Capitalist male. Today, it's still very much a legal issue that many Christians want their freedom of religion to supersede civil rights and liberties for transgenders and homosexuals. And while we may not give the death penalty for homosexuality, we do eagerly support companies that are guilty of slavery and are responsible for many health catastrophes and deaths, and even the American state is very guilty of some very horrible crimes. And, the final point, that just because the states does something does not inherently mean the people support it.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
This is just my opinion, but I think I have earned my right to offer it with a good measure of confidence given that I lived in Saudi Arabia since I was a newborn until I was 19, with only few-months breaks in between every year to visit my country of origin.

First off, I'm going to be brutally honest: most Saudi people I have ever met, heard (in person), or read comments from are extremely sexist. Some are outright misogynistic instead of just being sexist with good intentions. Many, I would say most, are also very socially conservative. The media is not that far off when they represent Saudi people as people who support things like stoning, cutting off thieves' hands, and the death penalty for homosexuality and apostasy (more so the former than the latter for some people). In the capital, Riyadh, there is a large mosque called al-Masjid al-Kabeer (literally The Large Mosque), and after every Friday prayer, punishments are carried out according to Shari'a—as interpreted by Saudi authorities and judges. My father told me that he knew people who went and prayed there to watch thieves' hands getting cut off after the prayer (out of curiosity or out of a sense of satisfaction that they derive from watching those, I will never know), for example. I could have gone there to watch if I had wanted, but I never did, thankfully.

I could go on for days about the sexism. Many Saudis marry multiple women and treat all of them badly and as subservient to men. Also, I never saw a Saudi woman without niqab even once. Some take it off in certain places like malls, but that's a relatively rare occurrence. When all women in a country or city dress the same way, it is a safe bet to say that at least some of them are coerced into dressing that way. Saudi women also can't travel without their husbands' or closest male relatives' permission. I'm not sure if that's part of Saudi law, but regardless of that question, it is a de facto social law, and a strict one at that. There is so much sexism in Saudi culture that there are gender-segregated malls. Going by some people's logic, one would think that so much restriction would curb sexual harassment, but no. I saw some of the nastiest forms of sexual harassment there, including, for just one instance, a guy who yelled and called a woman "dirty" because she refused to respond positively to his verbal harassment (unwanted flirting). It is extraordinarily hard for a woman to pursue her dreams in Saudi Arabia if she wants to be independent and have a successful career outside of very few jobs, such as teaching.

And then there is the marked xenophobia and ultra-nationalism. I lived in Najd, and I saw some of the ugliest facets of xenophobia and racism there against foreigners who weren't from Europe or the Americas. There is so much racism that a lot of Najdi people are actually racist against their fellow Saudis who are from "lesser" tribes (there is a tribal system in Saudi Arabia to this day, at least in some parts thereof). That's not to speak of the demeaning, inhumane treatment of the foreign working class, primarily Pakistani and Indian people as well as non-Khaliji Arabs. One of my relatives worked there under a wealthy Saudi man, and my relative saw the Saudi man literally slap one of his workers on the face. Another wealthy Saudi guy that my father worked under had a company that provided so little safety measures to workers that scaffolds collapsed in an area of work and resulted in the death of one of them and severe injuries to others. That's not atypical of working conditions for the working class in Saudi Arabia, who are usually paid very little in return for their work.

Also, in recent years, there have also been discriminatory laws against non-Saudis, and my own family have experienced difficulties created by those laws. Just renewing their residence permit costs a lot relative to their income and is a painful chore. There is also a nasty habit of a lot of Saudi employers to postpone salaries and pay their employees late. I know some people who are in debt as a result of that, including very close relatives. A lot of Saudi employers live comfortably and pay a lot for unnecessary things (like an expensive sports car that my father's former employee destroyed in an accident) while their employees suffer through debt, subpar health care, and inability to provide much money for their family beyond covering their basic needs, if even those.

That said, there are many kind, generous, and well-meaning Saudi people. This manifested, among other ways, in a lot of relatively small but noticeable everyday happenings where Saudi people showed cooperation and compassion toward my family. I admire anyone who can be kind, open-minded, and/or compassionate in such a culture. There are good employers as opposed to the bad ones, there are generous people as opposed to the greedy ones, and there are tolerant and open-minded people as opposed to the xenophobic and racist ones.

I can see some positives to Saudi culture—and I know this thread is about Saudi people; when I speak of Saudi culture, I primarily mean the people. But to be perfectly honest, my net experience there was negative, especially in the last two years or so when I started doubting religion before completely leaving it. I felt unsafe, unwanted, and estranged... not just because of state law but also because I knew the prejudices that many Saudis have. I'm glad I don't live there anymore despite the fact that I live in a third-world country where my freedoms are still restricted. That says something, I think.
 

Timothy Bryce

Active Member
I remember knowing a Saudi guy back in university. Guy was a complete prick who would constantly bang on about his connections with "royalty" and his superior social status. Just an obnoxious douche all round. Glad he's out of my face.

I often ebb and flow regarding stereotypes as I know there are always exceptions, but those stereotypes often come from somewhere. My father is from the old Eastern Europe and it's starting to make me sick how much he is appearing to fit into those ****ty little former eastern bloc country stereotypes.

Doing a lot of migration work, however, I have a theory that people often flee their countries to migrate to developed or western countries, expecting the cultural differences to be vast and unilaterally positive; but then they conclude that it's all the same **** in the end and they have to put up with xenophobia and racism to boot which makes them resentful of essentially everything around them. It's really sad.
 
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