Origin of life, Adam and the Dinosaurs

[Kemosloby]

Where cows immortal, too? I ask because we never observed fossils of cows with dinosaurs, either.

Ciao

- viole

No, cows were not immortal. They came along in their course of evolution. Adam didn't care though, since he was a vegetarian. That is, before being kicked out of Eden into a world where the ground was cursed and nothing would grow for him.

 

[TheloniousX]

So, prior to chapter two of Genesis, and God resting on the seventh day he created man, beast, herb and seed for meat... Chapter two, after god rests he creates Adam, The Garden and Eve from Adam's rib... So, why has it been taught that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth???

Genesis Chapter 1:26-31

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“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

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And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat[…]”

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And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”

 

[shmogie]

Adam did not die in a 1,000 years according to the Bible though.

In the Bible it has been shown that the god described there is capable of lying and changing his mind.

But I have a more pressing question.

Why would your god create the universe in such a way that makes us think that it was not created by him?

Your statement that " In the Bible it has been shown that the God described there is capable of lying and changing his mind" is pure drivel. "Why would your God create the universe in such a way that that makes us think that it was not created by him ? " Shows you know little of cosmology, the theory's about the creation of the universe and especially the accepted model of the Big Bang. This was a major point in changing me from an atheist to a Christian. I don't know who "us" is in your statement, but the BB fits very well in the description of creation in Genesis. Further, no one can, nor will be able to explain how out of nothing, everything came into being, the Big Bang. I urge you to do a little research on it

 

[columbus]

No, cows were not immortal.

You know this how?
Is that assertion Scriptural? Or are you just making up "facts" to support what you have already decided to believe?

They came along in their course of evolution.

But why aren't cows and dinosaurs and trilobites ever found in the same rock strata? All anyone would have to do to overturn the scientific research is find one instance of something like that. Everything, including evolution, would have to be re-considered and brought up to date.

But it never happens. Instead we keep finding more and more evidence for evolution.
Tom

 

[Kemosloby]

You know this how?
Is that assertion Scriptural? Or are you just making up "facts" to support what you have already decided to believe?



But why aren't cows and dinosaurs and trilobites ever found in the same rock strata? All anyone would have to do to overturn the scientific research is find one instance of something like that. Everything, including evolution, would have to be re-considered and brought up to date.

But it never happens. Instead we keep finding more and more evidence for evolution.
Tom

There is scriptural evidence that the animals were not created immortal. Where God seems to be lamenting that Man will die like the animals. Which subtley eludes to the fact that after the fall mankind came down a notch and became mortal like the animals.

I guess you did not understand the first time. Cows would not necessarily be found with dinosaurs since the animals follow a natural course of evolution. Only man was formed complete, in the image of God, immortal and walked the Earth for millions of years, never dying. Until they ate the forbidden fruit.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

"Why would your God create the universe in such a way that that makes us think that it was not created by him ? " Shows you know little of cosmology, the theory's about the creation of the universe and especially the accepted model of the Big Bang. This was a major point in changing me from an atheist to a Christian. I don't know who "us" is in your statement, but the BB fits very well in the description of creation in Genesis.

Big Bang cosmology fits in very well with Genesis?

The Christian creation story got only one thing right: There was a beginning to the universe. Genesis anticipated exactly nothing else from the Big Bang theory. It missed the singularity, the expansion of the universe, the inflationary epoch, symmetry breaking, particle condensation, nucleosynthsis, the decoupling of matter and radiation with the release of the the cosmic background radiation, and the hundreds of millions of years before the first starlight.

Genesis also missed the 9 billion year delay before the formation of the sun and earth, the moon-creating impact event, the cooling of the earth with crust formation, and the evolution of life over deep time.

Genesis has this in common with every other creation myth: It got just one thing right - a beginning for the universe.

The Vikings also got that right and nothing else, as did the Australian aborigines got that right and the ancient Mesopotamians:

"The mighty Marduk took his club and split Tiamat's body in half. He placed half of her body in the sky and made the heavens. He created the moon to guard the heavens, and set it moving back and forth, on endless patrol. With the other half of Tiamat's body he made the land." http://mesopotamia.mrdonn.org/marduk.html

See that? They got exactly one thing right, just like Genesis. The universe had a beginning. Everything else is wrong.

If your purpose was to imply that Genesis anticipated science, and in so doing, indicates that it's author had knowledge about the origin of the universe not yet possessed by man, I don't think you accomplished your goal. I think you did the opposite.

What you are showing is that Genesis contains a typical creation myth suggesting that its origin is the same as all of the others - human imagination.

You also give us a glimpse at how a faith based confirmation bias works. You see what you want to see.You want to see the Genesis story and the Big Bang as being essentially the same story, so you do. Those not encumbered by such a confirmation bias see that they have almost nothing in common

You also tacitly imply that science, not the Bible, is the final arbiter of truth when you defer to the scientific account: "See, we got something right." Think about that: If you considered the Bible authoritative instead, you'd say that science only got one thing right, but failed to identify the six days of creation or the manufacturing of mankind from dust and a rib.

But that's not what you did, is it?

Further, no one can, nor will be able to explain how out of nothing, everything came into being, the Big Bang.

For starters, that's not only not the only naturalistic origins hypothesis, it's not the best one.

Second, it need never be explained. If we cannot explain it, then it remains unexplained. The critical thinker doesn't just take the leap of faith to a god hypothesis because he can't solve the origins problem. All candidate hypotheses that cannot be ruled out remain on the list of possibilities, including yours - a creator god. That also cannot be ruled out.

That's the difference between reason and evidence based though, and faith. Your list is already down to one possibility and probably has been for decades based only on a will to believe. Doing that is a logical error. Your list should include a multiverse hypothesis, for example, by which I mean any hypothesis that invokes an unconscious substance from which universes of all possible types emerge like bubbles in champagne. You have no means to rule it out, but probably already have.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Cows would not necessarily be found with dinosaurs since the animals follow a natural course of evolution. Only man was formed complete, in the image of God, immortal and walked the Earth for millions of years, never dying. Until they ate the forbidden fruit.

There's a new one: The tree of life explained as a hybrid between Darwinian evolution and a supernatural act of creation for one species only. Is that what you meant?

 

[Kemosloby]

There's a new one: The tree of life explained as a hybrid between Darwinian evolution and a supernatural act of creation for one species only. Is that what you meant?

Yeah, basically.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Yeah, basically.

OK, thanks. Like I said, that's an original take by me.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Your statement that " In the Bible it has been shown that the God described there is capable of lying and changing his mind" is pure drivel.

1 Kings 22:23

2 Chronicles 18:22

Ezekiel 14:9

2 Thessalonians 2:11

"Why would your God create the universe in such a way that that makes us think that it was not created by him ? " Shows you know little of cosmology, the theory's about the creation of the universe and especially the accepted model of the Big Bang. This was a major point in changing me from an atheist to a Christian. I don't know who "us" is in your statement, but the BB fits very well in the description of creation in Genesis.

No, the Big Bang took place roughly 13.8 billion years ago. According to the bible the world was created roughly 6000 years ago. Also the world was not formed in the order listed in genesis such as the sun was in existence before our world.

Your deity would have had to also purposefully have left several fossils with specific carbon datings in specific layers of rock consistently around the world with intermediary species and in locations that could be predicted by the theory of evolution and have placed genetics in such a way that they too could be predicted by the theory of evolution.

Not only that he would have made the entire universe while only having a little speck of it be where he focuses his omnipresent attention, and on that tiny speck he would have focused on only the middle east and have his word be spread by fallible humans. If he is omnipresent then he could have very easily appeared in all nations of the world simultaneously to spread his message rather than have had at one point something so petty as a "chosen people".

Not to mention that the universe is clockwork, it can work with or without a deity. If your deity wanted us to look towards nature to believe in him, he would have very easily made the universe in such a way that it could not work without his existence. He would have infinite power and be omnipresent so he would have nothing to lose from this.

It's very clear that if your deity exists that he does not want us to believe in him solely from observation.

Further, no one can, nor will be able to explain how out of nothing, everything came into being, the Big Bang. I urge you to do a little research on it

The big bang does not state that something came from nothing.

It states that the universe came into it's current state from a point of infinite density. String theory has made a lot of headway into offering possible explanations and ways to tell what happened before that point of infinite density, but keep in mind that it is possible that time started with the big bang. If time did start with the big bang then asking what occurred at a point of time before it is just as meaningless as asking what is north of the northpole.

I have done a LOT of research on it. I would recommend you look into it from scientific sources.

 

[shmogie]

1 Kings 22:23

2 Chronicles 18:22

Ezekiel 14:9

2 Thessalonians 2:11



No, the Big Bang took place roughly 13.8 billion years ago. According to the bible the world was created roughly 6000 years ago. Also the world was not formed in the order listed in genesis such as the sun was in existence before our world.

Your deity would have had to also purposefully have left several fossils with specific carbon datings in specific layers of rock consistently around the world with intermediary species and in locations that could be predicted by the theory of evolution and have placed genetics in such a way that they too could be predicted by the theory of evolution.

Not only that he would have made the entire universe while only having a little speck of it be where he focuses his omnipresent attention, and on that tiny speck he would have focused on only the middle east and have his word be spread by fallible humans. If he is omnipresent then he could have very easily appeared in all nations of the world simultaneously to spread his message rather than have had at one point something so petty as a "chosen people".

Not to mention that the universe is clockwork, it can work with or without a deity. If your deity wanted us to look towards nature to believe in him, he would have very easily made the universe in such a way that it could not work without his existence. He would have infinite power and be omnipresent so he would have nothing to lose from this.

It's very clear that if your deity exists that he does not want us to believe in him solely from observation.



The big bang does not state that something came from nothing.

It states that the universe came into it's current state from a point of infinite density. String theory has made a lot of headway into offering possible explanations and ways to tell what happened before that point of infinite density, but keep in mind that it is possible that time started with the big bang. If time did start with the big bang then asking what occurred at a point of time before it is just as meaningless as asking what is north of the northpole.

I have done a LOT of research on it. I would recommend you look into it from scientific sources.

Oh, I have done a bit of research in cosmology and physics, including a course in the the theory of relativity. String theory is art, not science. It is elegant and pretty but the alleged strings are so small they can never be seen. Of course the Big Bang came from nothing. If it created everything there,m is nothing that could have existed before it. Yes, some propose a point of infinite density a singularity, cosmology speak for "we don't know". The problem is that in retrograde all physical laws break down before you get to the singularity. I don't recall the Planc time number, but is a point beyond no one will ever know what happened. You are right, speculation is pure speculation that can never be proven

Who told you the says Bible says the universe is 6, 000 years old ? It doesn't. That was a proposal of an Anglican Bishop named Ussher. Why do you think God made the entire universe but is totally concentrated on humans, and earth ? The Bible doesn't say that either. In fact, there are hints in the Bible that lead me to believe there is intelligent life on other planets. No, I don't berieve in UFO's

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Humans are animals.
Also we have numerous intermediary fossils between humans and out last common ancestor with chimpanzees.
According to the Bible. Your god created the Earth in 6 days and rested on the seventh.
Where does the scripture say that? It says there was evening and there was morning. That indicates one day.
No, people have tried to make it ambiguous. But even if the universe was created in in 7,000 or 6,000 years it would not line up with physics.
Doesn't explain the numerous intermediary fossils.
Time would have already began if years could have passed.
Again, the time dilation is never said in the Bible anywhere.
More importantly the Bible does not say day in that verse.
Genesis 3:3
but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'"
You really should have read the relevant bible verses before posting this.

Whether you wish to think of us as animals or not, my understanding is that God only offered 'humankind' everlasting life on Earth if they did Not break the ' do not eat ' Law.

Please keep in mind the word ' day ' in Scripture has shades of meaning, just as we do today, such as when we speak of 'grandfather's day' we know we are taking about more than just a 24-hour day.
Even the word ' day ' is used to distinguish the 'daylight ' hours at Genesis 1:5
Please also note at Genesis 2:4 because ALL of the 6 creative days are summed up by the word ' day '.
So, to me, we do Not even know how long each of the creative days were, or even if they were all of the same length of time or different lengths of time.
We do know God's 7th day was still on-going in the apostle Paul's day by what it says at Hebrews 4:4-10.
Since God is Not limited by time as we are, then God could easily speak of a thousand years as being a day - Psalms 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8. So, Adam died within that thousand-year time frame, and so did Methuselah according to Genesis 5:27. Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth is a thousand-year day or time frame.
Then, righteous mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' according to Revelation 22:2 for the healing of earth's nations. Jesus will fulfill God's blessing promise to father Abraham at Genesis 12:3: Genesis 22:18.
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[CogentPhilosopher]

String theory is art, not science. It is elegant and pretty but the alleged strings are so small they can never be seen.

So if it cannot be transmitted through the visible light spectrum it isn't real? What is your argument here?

Do you realize that it's based on actual physics and mathematics? It certainly isn't proven yet and I don't buy it yet, but it's a **** of a better explanation than simply saying your god did it.

Of course the Big Bang came from nothing.

I don't care if you claim that it did. The actual theory disagrees.

If it created everything there,m is nothing that could have existed before it.

No one says that it created everything, they say it may have been the cause of spacetime.

Yes, some propose a point of infinite density a singularity,

If replace "Yes, some propose" with "The big-bang theory states and the scientific community accepts" then the sentence would be correct.

cosmology speak for "we don't know".

No it's cosmology speak for "We know, but cannot visualize,"

The problem is that in retrograde all physical laws break down before you get to the singularity.

This isn't really a problem this all makes sense within physics it's just that we would have a hard time understanding things that do not follow our current physical laws.

I don't recall the Planc time number, but is a point beyond no one will ever know what happened.

It would be hard to know, and we might never know but that is not for certain.

You are right, speculation is pure speculation that can never be proven

No, string theory has made predictions about what we should discover as we continue to study quarks and waves and if they are correct then it can start to validate string theory.

Who told you the says Bible says the universe is 6, 000 years old?

The writers of the Bible, Christian theologians, Christian philosophers, and more.

It doesn't. That was a proposal of an Anglican Bishop named Ussher.

And used actual logic to back it up.

Go to your bible and trace the genealogies from Adam to Yeshua (aka Jesus) and you will find it is roughly 4000 years. [/quote]

Why do you think God made the entire universe but is totally concentrated on humans, and earth ?

I don't think your god even exists.

The Bible doesn't say that either. In fact, there are hints in the Bible that lead me to believe there is intelligent life on other planets. No, I don't berieve in UFO's

There probably is, but that still means most of the universe is uninhabitable and designed to kill us.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

.......... Further, no one can, nor will be able to explain how out of nothing, everything came into being, the Big Bang. I urge you to do a little research on it

I agree, that everything that came into being is Not out of nothing.
God is Not a Nothing.
God's power and strength ( is something ) and God's abundant power and strength ( His dynamic energy ) is what was used in creating the visible material realm according to Isaiah 40:26 B.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Whether you wish to think of us as animals or not, my understanding is that God only offered 'humankind' everlasting life on Earth if they did Not break the ' do not eat ' Law.

Please keep in mind the word ' day ' in Scripture has shades of meaning, just as we do today, such as when we speak of 'grandfather's day' we know we are taking about more than just a 24-hour day.
Even the word ' day ' is used to distinguish the 'daylight ' hours at Genesis 1:5
Please also note at Genesis 2:4 because ALL of the 6 creative days are summed up by the word ' day '.
So, to me, we do Not even know how long each of the creative days were, or even if they were all of the same length of time or different lengths of time.
We do know God's 7th day was still on-going in the apostle Paul's day by what it says at Hebrews 4:4-10.
Since God is Not limited by time as we are, then God could easily speak of a thousand years as being a day - Psalms 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8. So, Adam died within that thousand-year time frame, and so did Methuselah according to Genesis 5:27. Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth is a thousand-year day or time frame.
Then, righteous mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' according to Revelation 22:2 for the healing of earth's nations. Jesus will fulfill God's blessing promise to father Abraham at Genesis 12:3: Genesis 22:18.
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1st of all the bible never actually uses the word "Day" because it is not in English.

2nd of all in genesis it very clearly says that it was 6 days and that each day was one literal day.

3rd of all why would an all loving god purposefully make his book that is supposed to be his instructions to mankind confusing?

 

[shmogie]

1st of all the bible never actually uses the word "Day" because it is not in English.

2nd of all in genesis it very clearly says that it was 6 days and that each day was one literal day.

3rd of all why would an all loving god purposefully make his book that is supposed to be his instructions to mankind confusing?

1st I am sure there is a Hebrew word that translates as day 2nd, no the Bible doesn't say that the days in creation were 6 -24 hour periods, it just says days, literal days, being based upon the rotation of the earth, are twenty four hours, one rotation. What if the earth weren't rotating. Since God created everything, and God is outside of time, he certainly could maintain a non rotating planet to go about his work on it, it could be a thousand years, or 50 billion as we rekon them, to him it's all the same, now.

3rd The Bible isn't confusing, confusion is in the mind, not in the Book. I agree that there are some difficult texts that different people find different meanings for, However, The Bible has one purpose, the ultimate survival of humanity, and the method of this saving grace is easily seen from the beginning to the end. Those who don;t see it, can't read.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

1st I am sure there is a Hebrew word that translates as day.

Yeah but it is not the same word in all of these situations.

2nd, no the Bible doesn't say that the days in creation were 6 -24 hour periods, it just says days, literal days, being based upon the rotation of the earth, are twenty four hours, one rotation. What if the earth weren't rotating.

1st of all, that would contradict science which you put all of this effort into trying not to do.

2nd of all, that would mean your god did that intentionally to trick us or that the humans who made-up the bible where ignorant.

God is outside of time

Citation please.

3rd The Bible isn't confusing, confusion is in the mind, not in the Book.

That's just plain bull****.

Have you ever even read the bible in full? Nothing makes atheists quite like the bible.

The bible has contradictions all over the place and according to you it switches from being literal and metaphorical with no indications what so ever.

I agree that there are some difficult texts that different people find different meanings for,

Yeah and it's supposed to be a instruction manual for humanity. Why would you intentionally make an instruction manual of all things vague?

However, The Bible has one purpose, the ultimate survival of humanity, and the method of this saving grace is easily seen from the beginning to the end. Those who don;t see it, can't read.

I have read the bible several times and I think you haven't read it cover to cover once.

Go tell me how the verses where it says that god killed thousands of firstborns for what a pharaoh did wrong was about saving grace?

Or the verses when your god purposefully makes false prophets?

Or the verses where because some children mocked a man for being bald your god sent bears to rip them apart?

Oh please indulge me why a being with infinite power that can see the past, present, and future would create a tree with forbidden fruit and Adam and Eve knowing that if he did this they would eat from the tree and then punish them for eating from the tree?

Or why he would he would need to sacrifice himself to himself to please himself in such a manner where he takes all sin onto himself, while simultaneously being without sin, so he can forgive humanity for a sin that he setup to happen and then punished them for. Oh, but not before praying to himself for another way.

Yes please give us this wisdom that you have that renowned philosophers (Christian and otherwise), theologians, and thinkers of all sorts have never had in making the bible simple and completely unambiguously good.

 

[Deeje]

There is scriptural evidence that the animals were not created immortal. Where God seems to be lamenting that Man will die like the animals. Which subtley eludes to the fact that after the fall mankind came down a notch and became mortal like the animals.

I think you are referring to Ecclesiastes 3:18-20, where Solomon wrote......
"I also said in my heart about the sons of men that the true God will test them and show them that they are like animals, 19 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust."

When the first humans were formed, Genesis indicates that the Creator educated Adam for some time before producing a mate for him. His expression when God brought her to him, is an indication that Adam had observed all the other creatures with mates, yet there was not one of his kind with whom he could reproduce and fill the earth, like the others.

Humans were created different to all other creatures. Only he reflected the moral qualities of his Creator.

Death is not mentioned in Eden, except as a punishment for disobedience. Hence, no disobedience would have meant no death. The "tree of life" was freely available to humans with no prohibition. They could partake and keep on living indefinitely.

Only when sin entered their lives, did the tree of life become 'off-limits'. God made sure that access to this source of life would never be within their reach whilst sin ruled their lives. They then became just like the animals, dying exactly the same death as they did. It was never meant to be, but abuse of free will had to be dealt with and the outcome fully documented.

I guess you did not understand the first time. Cows would not necessarily be found with dinosaurs since the animals follow a natural course of evolution. Only man was formed complete, in the image of God, immortal and walked the Earth for millions of years, never dying. Until they ate the forbidden fruit.

This is not what the Bible says. God created all animals kinds and gave them reproductive powers. Whatever God created, he did directly and with purpose. The creative days were not 24 hour time periods. We know that dinosaurs did not share the planet with humans and we are glad that this is so. Its hard enough getting hit by a truck, let alone something 10 times bigger. God had his reasons for those creatures that existed before man, but he does not tell us. All we know is that the creatures that were alive when Adam was created were named by him and he was assigned to take care of them, along with their habitat. Already extinct creatures could not be named if they no longer existed.

Genesis says that humankind were created at the conclusion of the 6th day, when God declared his satisfaction with his creative efforts thus far. The rebellion took place at the beginning of the 7th day....a period set aside for settling any issues relating to the use of free will. It had to be tested. There is no declaration concerning the conclusion of the 7th day, because it has not yet ended. There has to be a conclusion of this system of things, justice meted out to all rebels, and the rulership of God's Kingdom for a thousand years to get everything back to square one, so that God can declare the 7th day a resounding success. What we lost in Genesis is given back to us in Revelation.

 

[shmogie]

So if it cannot be transmitted through the visible light spectrum it isn't real? What is your argument here?

Do you realize that it's based on actual physics and mathematics? It certainly isn't proven yet and I don't buy it yet, but it's a **** of a better explanation than simply saying your god did it.

Yes there are some equations that support it but do you accept the idea of 15 or 30, or 50 dimension required to make the math work ? Most Cosmologists don't. Did you know that Dr. Kohaku, one of the founders of string theory has announced an equation that proves there is a God ? You bought string theory, are you going to buy this ? I have without even seeing his paper on it.

I don't care if you claim that it did. The actual theory disagrees.


No one says that it created everything, they say it may have been the cause of spacetime.
Sorry, you are wrong here very, very wrong. The theory proposes that there was a rapid expansion of energy that ultimately became the universe and everything within it. E=MC squared, energy is matter and matter is energy. It is totally and completely impossible to know what existed before the BB. There are no models that can be supported by physical laws, because there were no known physical laws in a totally and forever unknown nothing. The singularity is proposed as a point of infinite density, whatever that is. It is proposed, because most Cosmologists dare not look at an unnatural cause for the universe, God causing the BB. If the big bang created everything, what was before it ? Only two options, God or the unknown, never to be known, theoretical singularity. I could go into some more detailed things about the alleged singularity, but I think they would just bore you.


If replace "Yes, some propose" with "The big-bang theory states and the scientific community accepts" then the sentence would be correct.
No, it wouldn't be correct with your changes, Those who believe in a steady state universe , or a rebounding universe or a God created universe there are cosmologists and physicists and other scientists in each of these groups

No it's cosmology speak for "We know, but cannot visualize," I am sorry, but I have to say that this is an ignorant statement ( ignorant meaning very uninformed), Scientists in every discipline NEVER use Know when talking about a theory which is a theory, which wouldn't
be a theory if "they knew". In this case you can multiply that by 1,000% . Thinking that something might be possible is light years away from "knowing". trying to know about something when all your tool's ( physical laws, mathematics, etc,. etc.) are taken away. Science can never know, because our science is based on things inside the universe,. not outside.



This isn't really a problem this all makes sense within physics it's just that we would have a hard time understanding things that do not follow our current physical laws.
impossible to understand you mean. Makes sense in physics ? How in the world can it make sense in physics when everything used in physics to reach a conclusion doesn't work, cannot work because they don't apply ?
It's like using a papaya to measure the red shift of stars.

It would be hard to know, and we might never know but that is not for certain.
correct it is hard to know , in fact, impossible

No, string theory has made predictions about what we should discover as we continue to study quarks and waves and if they are correct then it can start to validate string theory.
string theory is far from being validated, and many cosmologists have given up on it.


The writers of the Bible, Christian theologians, Christian philosophers, and more.
There are many reasons to doubt Ussher's theory, cultural, scientific and many more, Within the world of creationists there are old earthers and young earthers. The young earthers accept he genealogies as written as being the only standard to measure correctly the age of the earth, old earthers reject Ussher as the sole way andmethod to solve the problem. Many Christians, theologians , teachers, philosophers recognize that there are perfectly sensible reasons that don't undermine the Bible, to reject Ussher.


And used actual logic to back it up.

Go to your bible and trace the genealogies from Adam to Yeshua (aka Jesus) and you will find it is roughly 4000 years.

I don't think your god even exists.
Well, that is one thing we will know for sure in the end. I know he exists


There probably is, but that still means most of the universe is uninhabitable and designed to kill us.[/QUOTE]

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

I don't think your god even exists.
Well, that is one thing we will know for sure in the end. I know he exists


There probably is, but that still means most of the universe is uninhabitable and designed to kill us.

I think you made some formatting mistakes.