Original sin is anti-religion; a tool of the Antichrist

[paarsurrey]

The concept of original sin certainly seems to be counter-productive from a religious perspective. If there is an Anti-Christ of some kind, I suppose he benefits from the spread of that concept.

Yes, I agree that the creed of original sin is an invention of Paul, the scribes and the Church.

Jesus and Mary did not believe it.

This creed is disrespectful to humanity, to Adam , to Mary and to Jesus.

Regards

 

[Glaurung]

Your thoughts please.

Regards

If you want discussion then you should have a point to actually discuss. So how about providing some line of justification for your statement?

The concept of original sin certainly seems to be counter-productive from a religious perspective. If there is an Anti-Christ of some kind, I suppose he benefits from the spread of that concept

Why? And what notion of original sin are you referring to?

 

[paarsurrey]

If you want discussion then you should have a point to actually discuss. So how about providing some line of justification for your statement?

Originally Posted by LuisDantas
The concept of original sin certainly seems to be counter-productive from a religious perspective. If there is an Anti-Christ of some kind, I suppose he benefits from the spread of that concept

Why? And what notion of original sin are you referring to?

I think the first point "original sin is anti-religion" is mentioned in post # above

The second point is Paul is the seed of Anti-Christ.

The third point is that the Anti-Christ seed flourished in the world for two thousand years while Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in India.

The fourth point is that the tree of Anti-Christ stand uprooted now by the grace of the One-True-God.

During the discussion many other points could also come up for discussion.

One could choose any of the above or as many as one likes.

Regards

 

[Sleeppy]

I think the first point "original sin is anti-religion" is mentioned in post # above

The second point is Paul is the seed of Anti-Christ.

The third point is that the Anti-Christ seed flourished in the world for two thousand years while Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in India.

The fourth point is that the tree of Anti-Christ stand uprooted now by the grace of the One-True-God.

During the discussion many other points could also come up for discussion.

One could choose any of the above or as many as one likes.

Regards

Jeremiah 31

In those days they shall say no more: 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man that eateth the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge.

Paul isn't anti-christian; nor was he anti-Jewish.

 

[Mycroft]

The idea of Original Sin is an insult. The idea that I am a sinner by birth because of the alleged misjudgment of another is wicked.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why? And what notion of original sin are you referring to?

The idea that people are inherently born sinners and can only hope to overcome that by the grace of Abraham's God.

It is a harmful idea, in that it encourages people to feel guilty and to demand others to feel guilty as well, for no clear reason whatsoever.

It may be helpful to promote a certain kind of feeling of common cause, but I can't in good faith recommend it.

 

[Sleeppy]

The idea of Original Sin is an insult. The idea that I am a sinner by birth because of the alleged misjudgment of another is wicked.

If your father decided to jump off a cliff before you were conceived, or born- you would either not exist, or you would not have a father. Your father made a judgment on your behalf. These things happen in a variety of ways. If your father teaches you to do wrong, from your youth, you will do wrong according to what you've been taught. Etc. Etc. Etc.

 

[Glaurung]

It is a harmful idea, in that it encourages people to feel guilty and to demand others to feel guilty as well, for no clear reason whatsoever.

Think of it as the recognition that there's is that something fundamentally wrong with the state of the world and human condition here on Earth. It not a statement that people are inherently evil in of themselves.

I think the first point "original sin is anti-religion" is mentioned in post # above

First, original sin is anti-religion is a meaningless statement. And conspiracies that Paul or Augustine 'invented' original sin is nonsense. The entire premise of Christ's crucifixion lies in restoring the relationship between humanity and God that was severed by original sin. Without it Christianity falls apart.

The third point is that the Anti-Christ seed flourished in the world for two thousand years while Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in India.

Of course, Jesus was a Buddhist monk/Hindu sadhu while that evil Paul corrupted everything. It's fanciful nonsense.

 

[Mycroft]

If your father decided to jump off a cliff before you were conceived, or born- you would either not exist, or you would not have a father. Your father made a judgment on your behalf. These things happen in a variety of ways. If your father teaches you to do wrong, from your youth, you will do wrong according to what you've been taught. Etc. Etc. Etc.

What a ridiculous comparison. If he murdered someone before I was born, I would not be charged with his crime.

 

[Pegg]

Your thoughts please.

Regards

something is killing us

Original sin is the best explanation for why we die imo.

 

[Sleeppy]

What a ridiculous comparison. If he murdered someone before I was born, I would not be charged with his crime.

You would experience consequences related to his crime. Your mother and siblings, as well. You would likely lose your father, to prison or a death penalty. Your wife would lose her husband, and the source of whatever resources he provided.. What's ridiculous is the ignorance of these very simple, very observable facts. Evolution should've been enough of a hint for anyone.

 

[Sees]

something is killing us

Original sin is the best explanation for why we die imo.

This is a bit of a stretch....

Is it more likely that we die for the same reasons dogs, birds, cows, horses, etc. also die or because a man ate an apple thousands of years ago?

 

[Sleeppy]

This is a bit of a stretch....

Is it more likely that we die for the same reasons dogs, birds, cows, horses, etc. also die or because a man ate an apple thousands of years ago?

Probably a metaphorical observation of evolution/genetics. Adam, if he was first, needs to exist tens or even hundreds of thousands of years previous to normal religious speculation. Biblical genealogies (including Jesus') need to be considered wholly incomplete and full of gaps.

 

[DawudTalut]

Your thoughts please.

Regards

Peace be on you.
Sin is a sin, it cannot be original or fake.

Laws are made at different institutions, companies, countries. If laws are violated, what happens?
Correction or penalty to the one who does so.

It is one angle about the point raised.

 

[Sunstone]

Your thoughts please.

Regards

So far as I know, Christian theologians such as Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, Luther, and Zwingli would strongly disagree with your hunch that original sin is a tool of the Anti-Christ. Instead, I think they might point out that original sin is why it was necessary for Jesus Christ to be crucified.

 

[paarsurrey]

So far as I know, Christian theologians such as Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, Luther, and Zwingli would strongly disagree with your hunch that original sin is a tool of the Anti-Christ. Instead, I think they might point out that original sin is why it was necessary for Jesus Christ to be crucified.

They all are followers of Paul- the founder of modern "Christianity" a misnomer.

Jesus does not agree with them at all.
Jesus abhorred this creed. Jesus said that he was son of man or son of Adam to refute this concept.This clarifies that the creed of original sin has nothing to do with Jesus.

Regards

 

[Mycroft]

something is killing us

Original sin is the best explanation for why we die imo.

"Several days after launching an investigation into the death of Mr. Pegg, police officials have concluded the bullet-holes were caused by orginal sin. In other news, original sin was the cause of several deaths on the M5 as a large truck jacknifed into oncoming traffic."

 

[Pegg]

This is a bit of a stretch....

Is it more likely that we die for the same reasons dogs, birds, cows, horses, etc. also die or because a man ate an apple thousands of years ago?

not if we are truly made in Gods image. He doesnt die, nor should we.

 

[Pegg]

"Several days after launching an investigation into the death of Mr. Pegg, police officials have concluded the bullet-holes were caused by orginal sin. In other news, original sin was the cause of several deaths on the M5 as a large truck jacknifed into oncoming traffic."

quite serious


Living forever is not just a dream....we potentially have the ability to live forever and even scientists who study the human aging process believe that we can. Why do you think they spend so much time and money on trying to reverse the ageing process. If they didnt think it was at all possible, they wouldnt bother.

It is possible and it will become a reality in the near future.

 

[idav]

quite serious


Living forever is not just a dream....we potentially have the ability to live forever and even scientists who study the human aging process believe that we can. Why do you think they spend so much time and money on trying to reverse the ageing process. If they didnt think it was at all possible, they wouldnt bother.

It is possible and it will become a reality in the near future.

It probably is possible, and the underlying reality may even be timeless, but this earth and its organisms were never in a state of being eternal in the flesh. Things were dying since life began on this planet.