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Orwell was a prophet?

74x12

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So I woke up to the radio this morning and there was a news story about how defunding and cutting the police force will be make us "safe". I immediately thought of Orwell's "new speak" and how in his book 1984 the government speaks in opposites. War is peace etc. So now we're safer when we have less police funding.

If people haven't figured it out yet; the whole imitative to defund the police is not to do away with a police state. It's to replace the police with a new kind of police that will be political. If you think I'm joking then just let these creeps take over. They want a political police force that polices you for thought crimes.

Although the current American police definitely are far from perfect and could use some change; yet I'd be an idiot to trust these runaway Orwellian nightmare creeps that want to replace them. :rolleyes:
 

ADigitalArtist

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I love it when Republicans pretend Orwell (the guy who fought with Marxist militia in the Spanish Civil War, who identified as somewhere between social anarchist and democratic socialist) was right wing. Like...have they actually read any of these books?

Anyway, most nations with lower crime per capita have far less police, far less paramilitarized (or straight up militarized) police.
Giving a ton of power and little oversight to police is comically authoritarian and should be discouraged. (did a crime? Guess you deserve to die)
Those same countries also adequately address homelessness, mental illness and drug use outside the police system by trained professionals who specialize in it, and as a result have far less preventable injuries on both sides.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It sure would be nice to have an intelligent discussion of defunding the police. You know, one that didn't start out by misrepresenting what defunding is, what it would do, and the pros and cons to it. Sure would be nice for once.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
So I woke up to the radio this morning and there was a news story about how defunding and cutting the police force will be make us "safe". I immediately thought of Orwell's "new speak" and how in his book 1984 the government speaks in opposites. War is peace etc. So now we're safer when we have less police funding.

If people haven't figured it out yet; the whole imitative to defund the police is not to do away with a police state. It's to replace the police with a new kind of police that will be political. If you think I'm joking then just let these creeps take over. They want a political police force that polices you for thought crimes.

Although the current American police definitely are far from perfect and could use some change; yet I'd be an idiot to trust these runaway Orwellian nightmare creeps that want to replace them. :rolleyes:

Stop wasting everyone's time by trying to pass off misinformation as truths. Just stop it.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
If people haven't figured it out yet; the whole imitative to defund the police is not to do away with a police state.

As far as I can tell, we all live in a way in which we are compelled to participate in the social unit. If I was to stop working my 8 hours, and go do full-time bushcraft and hunt all my own food, or just become a traveler, I would instantly throw myself into situations that were legally dubious. So the thing is, you can't really unplug no matter who's in charge. I have to work to feed the beast, to have my little domicile in its hair... Real freedom would be the ability to really do your own thing, away from all the obligation you have to serve something else.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
The way the US police spends its money, I’d want it defunded too
But that’s up to y’all
'Defund the police': What it means and how it would work
'Scuse my sarcasm but ... that gushing propaganda piece *article* has convinced me. I must say, they seem particularly awesome if ... I was the kind of person that just believed everything verbatim without reading between the lines. I can't wait until these guys take over every city in America and fix all our problems.

Orwell's work was a warning against propaganda and double speak. You have to understand what kind of world we're living in.
I love it when Republicans pretend Orwell (the guy who fought with Marxist militia in the Spanish Civil War, who identified as somewhere between social anarchist and democratic socialist) was a right wing. Like...have they actually read any of these books?

Anyway, most nations with lower crime per capita have far less police, far less paramilitarized (or straight up militarized) police. Giving a ton of power and little oversight (did a crime? Guess you deserve to die) to police is comically authoritarian and should be discouraged.
Those same countries also adequately address homelessness, mental illness and drug use outside the police system by trained professionals who specialize it, and as a result have far less preventable injuries on both sides.
And I love it when people call me republican or democrat depending on who I'm disagreeing with at the moment. Or pretend I care what Orwell believed. Let's stay on topic. Orwell is against propaganda and double speak. Against changing the language for political ends and generally mind raping people into submission by tyrannical governments.

I despise the republican party as ultimately being controlled by a lot of probable sexual predators. I even despise the current police establishment as being controlled at the top by a lot of satanic cultists; but I'm not falling for the new scam either. It's just part of a truly twisted agenda as far as I can tell and no one has convinced me otherwise. The thing I worry about is that I can't see through all the evil they're constantly pushing on people.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Orwell is against propaganda and double speak. Against changing the language for political ends and generally mind raping people into submission by tyrannical governments.
Staying on topic, Orwell would have absolutely not been in favor of a paramilitarized police or militarized police. And definitely not been in favor of this hero worshipping 'blue line' is thrown up against minorities being persecuted by police. Or that increased police presence makes one safer, which IS doublespeak. No less than the 'war or terror' really just established more invasive, massively distorted power structures 'for your own safety.'

I even despise the current police establishment as being controlled at the top by a lot of satanic cultists
*Swipes left.*
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Orwell's work was a warning against propaganda and double speak. You have to understand what kind of world we're living in.
Leave it to the Right to make it apparently obvious they did not read or understand Orwell when they bring up 1984.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
It won't work. Money won't solve police training issues. It won't address the "pay to play" legal system. It won't do anything for privatized prisons. It will not address oppressive laws that do nothing good except turn non violent people into criminals.
The courts are controlled by a club of elitists.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Leave it to the Right to make it apparently obvious they did not read or understand Orwell when they bring up 1984.
I'm not right or left wing. I don't participate in your two party system which is designed off of occult knowledge that they keep from you so you'll be easily controlled.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I love it when Republicans pretend Orwell (the guy who fought with Marxist militia in the Spanish Civil War, who identified as somewhere between social anarchist and democratic socialist) was right wing. Like...have they actually read any of these books?

Anyway, most nations with lower crime per capita have far less police, far less paramilitarized (or straight up militarized) police.
Giving a ton of power and little oversight to police is comically authoritarian and should be discouraged. (did a crime? Guess you deserve to die)
Those same countries also adequately address homelessness, mental illness and drug use outside the police system by trained professionals who specialize in it, and as a result have far less preventable injuries on both sides.
The money can be better spent. Cutting the budget wont cut the warrior mentality training.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
It sure would be nice to have an intelligent discussion of defunding the police. You know, one that didn't start out by misrepresenting what defunding is, what it would do, and the pros and cons to it. Sure would be nice for once.
Discuss it then. Just don't think I'm going to buy into this.
Stop wasting everyone's time by trying to pass off misinformation as truths. Just stop it.
I hope I am wrong but disinformation is their game.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm not right or left wing. I don't participate in your two party system which is designed off of occult knowledge that they keep from you so you'll be easily controlled.
The courts are controlled by a club of elitists.
republican party as ultimately being controlled by a lot of probable sexual predators
I even despise the current police establishment as being controlled at the top by a lot of satanic cultists
Ok.:rolleyes:
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
So I woke up to the radio this morning and there was a news story about how defunding and cutting the police force will be make us "safe". I immediately thought of Orwell's "new speak" and how in his book 1984 the government speaks in opposites. War is peace etc. So now we're safer when we have less police funding.

If people haven't figured it out yet; the whole imitative to defund the police is not to do away with a police state. It's to replace the police with a new kind of police that will be political. If you think I'm joking then just let these creeps take over. They want a political police force that polices you for thought crimes.

Although the current American police definitely are far from perfect and could use some change; yet I'd be an idiot to trust these runaway Orwellian nightmare creeps that want to replace them. :rolleyes:
I'm not right or left wing. I don't participate in your two party system which is designed off of occult knowledge that they keep from you so you'll be easily controlled.
Being a conservative, liberal, or whatever doesn't require any sort of party affiliation or loyalty. If you have any views or opinions about anything you'll land somewhere on the polotical compass.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I love it when Republicans pretend Orwell (the guy who fought with Marxist militia in the Spanish Civil War, who identified as somewhere between social anarchist and democratic socialist) was right wing. Like...have they actually read any of these books?

Anyway, most nations with lower crime per capita have far less police, far less paramilitarized (or straight up militarized) police.
Giving a ton of power and little oversight to police is comically authoritarian and should be discouraged. (did a crime? Guess you deserve to die)
Those same countries also adequately address homelessness, mental illness and drug use outside the police system by trained professionals who specialize in it, and as a result have far less preventable injuries on both sides.
I've noticed that most U.S. conservatives actually believe authoritarianism to be exclusively a leftist thing, and tend to be totally blind to tyranny when it favors their values and ideologies. Case in point, gun nuts licking Bush's and then Trump'sboots.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Being a conservative, liberal, or whatever doesn't require any sort of party affiliation or loyalty. If you have any views or opinions about anything you'll land somewhere on the compass.
You're first in this thread to use conservative or liberal in this thread. Those terms are broad in definition and scope. They can mean a lot of different things.

I am not left or right wing. I'm not a sheeple. I think that grading system is by design because the phoenix which is the true bird on the seal of the United States. Commonly mistaken for an eagle. But my point is ... two wings but one bird. No matter who is in power the agenda keeps going forward. It's order out of chaos, out of many one. The phoenix rises out of ashes. They have to burn down the old to bring in the new. Bottom line: two party system is just a control mechanism to keep you in check.

The goal is the new world order.
I've noticed that most U.S. conservatives actually believe authoritarianism to be exclusively a leftist thing, and tend to be totally blind to tyranny when it favors their values and ideologies. Case in point, gun nuts licking Bush's and then Trump'sboots.
Yes conservatives do that like how they supported the patriot act ... but I think gun rights are important because it serves as somewhat of a deterrent to total tyranny and other bad guys.
 
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