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Ought there to be Universal Human Rights?

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
"Rights" are guaranteed by governments, in theory, and by local communities, in practice. If you are viewing them as an abstract ideal, you aren't well prepared to create and enforce them, and are likely to work against your own goals simply because you didn't think ahead to what creating a certain right would actually mean. At the end of the day, rights are local. So if you think a certain goal should be a right everywhere, that means you need to be thinking, case by case, what would such an idea mean in the place I'm proposing to manifest it? What institutional barriers would prevent it? What resources exist in this place to actually help me achieve this goal? Does the thing I'm trying to accomplish make as much sense to the people I'm trying to "help" as it does to me, and if not, what is causing the disparity between our perspectives?

For all intents and purposes, the idea of universal rights is pretty, but fundamentally flawed and therefore useless. We don't have one functioning government over the whole world, so pretending that a right could be granted all at once over all of it is perilously naive. Nor would such a government be able to create rights without contradiction, since any means it used to try and force cultural changes against its constituents would be violating other rights that most would consider valuable, self-determination not the least of them.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Not certain what Sunstone has in mind when using the term "universal human rights", but if it simply means the right to live as one wishes without infringing on the rights of others, then yes; there ought there to be Universal Human Rights. If it means something other than this then the rights of "universal human rights" may need to be qualified.


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allfoak

Alchemist
I live in America where we are given certain rights of freedom that other countries do not give to their people.
The question is, who is going to decide for the leaders of a sovereign country what rights they should give to the people they govern?
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Ought there to be universal human rights? Why or why not?

Put differently, can it be legitimately argued that some rights apply to everyone, even people who do not live in societies that recognize those rights?

If so, then why?
Yes. The rights derived through firm belief in the philosophical (as opposed to religious) concept of lIberty (as it relates to freedom) afford all humanity rights. It's not an issue of "ought;" we have universal rights, and they will formally extend, someday, to other free creatures.

For instance, do I have a moral right (on the grounds of there being an universal right to free expression) to say to the King of Saudi Arabia that he has no moral authority on which basis to flog atheists for expressing their atheism? Why or why not?
I don't think morality is included among rights. It's just brute fact.
 
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