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Pagan Proselytizing

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
That was fast. Its only been around 60 years since neopaganism began here in the 'states. If the movement improves the public peace and promotes a better union then go for it.

What can I say Pat Robertson and the spread of the Evangelical Protestant movement was an inspiration ;)
 

JustGeorge

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Atheists and Satanists have contemplated proselytizing. This could be beneficial and fun. A great way to counter what normally happens.

We have Atheists that proselytize locally. Sadly, they're not much more respectful about it than any other groups that proselytize.

If Pagans are going to proselytize, they should do so in a manner that is balanced and positive. I think they can do it!

I don't think of atheists as pagans, but they are sort of chilled and neutral about neopagans. I could see how neopagans wouldn't see them as a threat to their religion. More like candidates for conversion perhaps.

I've found the local variant of Atheist(which RF has led me to believe is more hostile than your average Atheist) doesn't get as angry about NeoPaganism, but they do make fun of Paganism, and generally don't take Pagans very seriously. You get the "Well, aren't you cute!" pinch of the cheeks and a chuckle.

It's a bit hard to convince someone to worship Ares when they prefer to worship Aphrodite.

I don't know... I always thought worship of one honored the other(specifically with Ares and Aphrodite).
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
If Pagans are going to proselytize, they should do so in a manner that is balanced and positive. I think they can do it!

I think so too. If we could get just 1 Pagan in each of the 50 states to open up a small Temple, and then invite their friends. We could expand outward into the community, by starting community gardens in food deserts and/or running soup kitchens/Food bank.


I've found the local variant of Atheist(which RF has led me to believe is more hostile than your average Atheist) doesn't get as angry about NeoPaganism, but they do make fun of Paganism, and generally don't take Pagans very seriously. You get the "Well, aren't you cute!" pinch of the cheeks and a chuckle.

This is accurate. It's always seemed to me that a lot of atheists consider polytheism childish. Hence not taken seriously. But polytheism isn't some backwards "primitive" (hate that word) theology.

I don't know... I always thought worship of one honored the other(specifically with Ares and Aphrodite).

Exactly! I give offerings to many Gods even if only One is my Patron or Cultish focus. As well as to my Ancestors, and the Nature Spirits.
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
Pagan Proselytizing

Should the Neo-Pagan religions take a page out of the Christian playbook, and begin an assertive (non-aggressive), conversion campaign, as well as running for and winning political office? I say yes. It's about time we pushed back against the monotheistic majority. Edit: Howl if your with me.

I don't know of any Christian non-aggressive conversion campaigns.

But many Christians are quite aggressive to convert others to their religion. Their bibles command it.

Laws in the United States prohibit torturing people to convert, so Pagans, who act like Christians, won't be as effective as Christians were when people could be tortured.

Thumb screws, iron maidens, and a host of other torture devices used by Christians (in a very loving way, of course), cannot be used today....at least, not legally used.

In addition to conversion, there is ousting demons. Witch hunts (killed if you are, killed if you aren't, and killed if you might be). Having sex with the overweight, hairy, old pastor "might" save your life (but shhh....don't tell anyone about it or you will harm the church). Exorcisms...there are many ways to torture the evil out of someone if such evil manifested itself (hummed a tune, danced, felt good.....or other such evil).

In modern times, it is evil to worship God "thou shalt not kill" (one must support war, killing, torture camps, and one must vote for gun rights and support the National Rifle Association). In modern times, Christians must worship the pentagon (seat of military power) and the 5 pointed pentagram that could be inscribed within it. In modern times, Christians must attack Iraq (Revelation, a chapter of the New Testament bible, says that we must not attack Babylon or face God's wrath....Revelation 15: seven mutations of covid).

In modern times, the world is upside down. Definitions have been changed. President George W. Bush got his attorney, John Woo (professor of law at Chapman University) to change the definition of torture so that torture never existed anywhere, nor could it ever exist). Redefining is another way of lying.

The world has been redefined. Christians have been lied to. Christians are supposed to now follow Satan to hell.

Christians oppose condoms (which prevent unwanted pregnancies and STDs like AIDS).

Christians bar Gay marriage (inheritance, child custody, government programs).

Christians stopped internet gambling (cut taxes for the rich, claiming that we should do what we want with our money).

Christians undid Roe v Wade.

Christians want school prayer (with their bible, to their God)...no more separation of church and state...no more free religion.

Christians want churches to run schools...public schools sold to churches at a fraction of their value.

Christians don't want evolution (or DNA) taught, but want creationism in schools.

Christians voted in great numbers to get presidents (Reagan, Bush, W. Bush, Trump). In turn, appoint supreme court justices (who, in turn, decide elections). W. Bush was appointed by a 5 to 4 decision of the Supreme court, after election tampering (butterfly ballots, double ballots, illegal alien votes, legal citizen's couldn't vote if confused with illegals, hanging chads (chads made by fanning with ballots, fingernails impacted cards).

Christians want NRA (National Rifle Associate). Legitimate war hero, John Kerry, was slandered by Veterans for Truth (later admitted), so W. Bush beat him as a "war hero." W. Bush (as war hero) also defeated triple amputee McClellan.

Perception trumps truth.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I don't know of any Christian non-aggressive conversion campaigns.

But many Christians are quite aggressive to convert others to their religion. Their bibles command it.

Laws in the United States prohibit torturing people to convert, so Pagans, who act like Christians, won't be as effective as Christians were when people could be tortured.

Thumb screws, iron maidens, and a host of other torture devices used by Christians (in a very loving way, of course), cannot be used today....at least, not legally used.

In addition to conversion, there is ousting demons. Witch hunts (killed if you are, killed if you aren't, and killed if you might be). Having sex with the overweight, hairy, old pastor "might" save your life (but shhh....don't tell anyone about it or you will harm the church). Exorcisms...there are many ways to torture the evil out of someone if such evil manifested itself (hummed a tune, danced, felt good.....or other such evil).

In modern times, it is evil to worship God "thou shalt not kill" (one must support war, killing, torture camps, and one must vote for gun rights and support the National Rifle Association). In modern times, Christians must worship the pentagon (seat of military power) and the 5 pointed pentagram that could be inscribed within it. In modern times, Christians must attack Iraq (Revelation, a chapter of the New Testament bible, says that we must not attack Babylon or face God's wrath....Revelation 15: seven mutations of covid).

In modern times, the world is upside down. Definitions have been changed. President George W. Bush got his attorney, John Woo (professor of law at Chapman University) to change the definition of torture so that torture never existed anywhere, nor could it ever exist). Redefining is another way of lying.

The world has been redefined. Christians have been lied to. Christians are supposed to now follow Satan to hell.

Christians oppose condoms (which prevent unwanted pregnancies and STDs like AIDS).

Christians bar Gay marriage (inheritance, child custody, government programs).

Christians stopped internet gambling (cut taxes for the rich, claiming that we should do what we want with our money).

Christians undid Roe v Wade.

Christians want school prayer (with their bible, to their God)...no more separation of church and state...no more free religion.

Christians want churches to run schools...public schools sold to churches at a fraction of their value.

Christians don't want evolution (or DNA) taught, but want creationism in schools.

Christians voted in great numbers to get presidents (Reagan, Bush, W. Bush, Trump). In turn, appoint supreme court justices (who, in turn, decide elections). W. Bush was appointed by a 5 to 4 decision of the Supreme court, after election tampering (butterfly ballots, double ballots, illegal alien votes, legal citizen's couldn't vote if confused with illegals, hanging chads (chads made by fanning with ballots, fingernails impacted cards).

Christians want NRA (National Rifle Associate). Legitimate war hero, John Kerry, was slandered by Veterans for Truth (later admitted), so W. Bush beat him as a "war hero." W. Bush (as war hero) also defeated triple amputee McClellan.

Perception trumps truth.

Ok. But this has nothing to do with Christians.

Do you have anything to add in regards to implementing Pagan Proselytizing?
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
Ok. But this has nothing to do with Christians.

Do you have anything to add in regards to implementing Pagan Proselytizing?

Yes, the OP was should Pagans proselytize as Christians. (So, I wrote about Christians). I am right on target, discussing exactly what I am supposed to discuss.

However, the Cancel Culture want to remove messages, so they hope and pray that they somehow don't conform to forum rules. This does conform.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
What can I say Pat Robertson and the spread of the Evangelical Protestant movement was an inspiration ;)
Are you going to try to have a pagan show and heal people who reach out toward their TV to get their healing?

I've found the local variant of Atheist(which RF has led me to believe is more hostile than your average Atheist) doesn't get as angry about NeoPaganism, but they do make fun of Paganism, and generally don't take Pagans very seriously. You get the "Well, aren't you cute!" pinch of the cheeks and a chuckle.
Angry? Oh, you refer to proselytizing.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Are you going to try to have a pagan show and heal people who reach out toward their TV to get their healing?

They have to donate $5.00, Right Now! first though. Through the power of manifestation, even you can gain prosperity! Don't delay.

1-888-PAG-NPTH

Edit: Honestly I'd never want to be the "face" of anything. Behind the scenes suits me better.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Cornijer is a new one for me! Tell me about the blessed Cornijer...
Cornijer or Cornitcher (sometimes shortened to Cornitch) is a name I use for the dark Horned God. I don't use Satan as a name very often anymore. Cornijer means 'one bearing horns'. Cornitch is one of nine figures in my pantheon.

Think Baphomet. Sort of the same thing. :D
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Cornijer or Cornitcher (sometimes shortened to Cornitch) is a name I use for the dark Horned God. I don't use Satan as a name very often anymore. Cornijer means 'one bearing horns'. Cornitch is one of nine figures in my pantheon.

Think Baphomet. Sort of the same thing. :D

I like it! Preach on...
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I like it! Preach on...
Cornitch came to me in a dream when I was little. I was scared at first. He assured me everything would be okay. In that dream he showed me ravens swarming a car and it veering off the road. Next day, my abusive father was in a wreck. He swore ravens attacked his windshield and tried to enter an open window. His car ran off the road an flipped. Of course, he was boozing at the time, so...

Mom took the opportunity, while dad was in the hospital, to get my sister and me away to safety.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Cornijer or Cornitcher (sometimes shortened to Cornitch) is a name I use for the dark Horned God. I don't use Satan as a name very often anymore. Cornijer means 'one bearing horns'. Cornitch is one of nine figures in my pantheon.

Think Baphomet. Sort of the same thing. :D

What would you be willing to say about the other eight?
 
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PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Should the Neo-Pagan religions take a page out of the Christian playbook, and begin an assertive (non-aggressive), conversion campaign, as well as running for and winning political office?

I say yes.

It's about time we pushed back against the monotheistic majority.

Edit: Howl if your with me.


We have pushed back, and we are winning.
See below....
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
Yes, the OP was should Pagans proselytize as Christians. (So, I wrote about Christians). I am right on target, discussing exactly what I am supposed to discuss.
Atheists and Satanists have contemplated proselytizing. This could be beneficial and fun. A great way to counter what normally happens.

Christians want to teach Christianity in schools, and lead entire assemblies of random kids (kids of all faiths) in prayer in the Christian bible, and prayers to the Christian God. They want to eliminate anything that would challenge Christian dogma (the universe is 6,000 years old, not 13.8 billion years old...and dinosaur bones can't be more than a few thousand years old) (meteors can't fall from God's perfect sky...scientists were tortured over this claim)(DNA proves evolution, so DNA and evolution can't be taught, but creationism must be taught).

Lacking the separation of church and state, Christians might achieve church in schools.

But, since the government is required not to respect one religion more than another, why teach Christianity in schools? Why not Satanic worship (like the kind that W. Bush, his dad, and grand dad practiced at Skull and Bones)?

So, once Christians achieve their victory of crushing the public school system, and selling off school buildings to churches, what would they do if Satanists started buying up those buildings and teaching Satanism to stunned students who were forced to listen to it?
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
We have pushed back, and we are winning.
See below....

Do they want to lynch the Christian pastor who is running "gambling" bingo games? Is this another example of "do as I say, not as I do?"

Sarah Palin's daughter was held up as the poster-girl for chastity, until it was found that she had several babies (out of wedlock) with several different men. She said that her message was a good one, but people should do as she says, not as she does.

Christian forgiveness is only for Christians. Even then, it is for Republican Christians. Example: George Bush (Senior) had a steamy sex affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald, that was widely publicised (he even hired the Brit as a secretary at the CIA...thus compromising national security). But almost no one heard of the scandal because little was done about it. A far lesser transgression was done by Bill Clinton and Monica, but all hell broke loose (pardon the pun) when they appointed a so-called Independent Council (who was not independent at all, but was hired by the opposition, and was overly aggress (as Ken Starr, himself pointed out).

So, they use Christian forgiveness for their own politicians, but don't forgive their opposition.

This two-faced approach to the world is disingenuous.
 
Should the Neo-Pagan religions take a page out of the Christian playbook, and begin an assertive (non-aggressive), conversion campaign, as well as running for and winning political office?

I say yes.

It's about time we pushed back against the monotheistic majority.

Edit: Howl if your with me.

I like what Joshua said :
“And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.””
‭‭Joshua‬ ‭24:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

I used to live as a pagan and ended up in rehab, hopeless, broke and alone. That’s where I called out to the Living God and He saved me. I have
Hope now and Eternal Life.
Choose this day and yeah share your hope.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Do they want to lynch the Christian pastor who is running "gambling" bingo games? Is this another example of "do as I say, not as I do?"

Sarah Palin's daughter was held up as the poster-girl for chastity, until it was found that she had several babies (out of wedlock) with several different men. She said that her message was a good one, but people should do as she says, not as she does.

Christian forgiveness is only for Christians. Even then, it is for Republican Christians. Example: George Bush (Senior) had a steamy sex affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald, that was widely publicised (he even hired the Brit as a secretary at the CIA...thus compromising national security). But almost no one heard of the scandal because little was done about it. A far lesser transgression was done by Bill Clinton and Monica, but all hell broke loose (pardon the pun) when they appointed a so-called Independent Council (who was not independent at all, but was hired by the opposition, and was overly aggress (as Ken Starr, himself pointed out).

So, they use Christian forgiveness for their own politicians, but don't forgive their opposition.

This two-faced approach to the world is disingenuous.

This is about Definitions and Truth.
Only one definition of a 'Christian' is acceptable to me - someone who loves and follows the example of Christ.
My definition of Truth is a set of statements that are more than 'factual' but respect all the facts.

So a person CAN say it's wrong to hate your brother, whilst busy hating their brother. That person is stating the
Truth, but not living it themselves. The only issue is you are SUPPOSED to live by what you preach, but that is
another matter - consistency.
So children out of wedlock is not good, neither is gambling, drug abuse, violence, adultery etc.. No-one on the
earth is perfect, but there's a perfect Truth - and that is perfectly defined by the example of Christ.
 

DKH

Member
Should the Neo-Pagan religions take a page out of the Christian playbook, and begin an assertive (non-aggressive), conversion campaign, as well as running for and winning political office?

I say yes.

It's about time we pushed back against the monotheistic majority.

Edit: Howl if your with me.


What makes you think that this isn't already happening? Today, some leaders and citizens of nations from around the world appear to be inundated with ideas and beliefs that are contrary to the Abrahamic and Indian religions or paganism. However, the reality is that less than 1% of the world's population is considered pagan, this type movement would have little or no chance of succeeding for any length of time or span worldwide (in my opinion).
 
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