Pagan vs Christian

[SalixIncendium]

I said they were inferior, not false. I used the world "unreal" however acknowledging that people may hold beliefs. Biological, evolutionary religion is the "scaffolding" for the arrival of revealed religion.

Can you provide details on how others' gods are inferior to yours?

 

[RestlessSoul]

That is not always true. There are people out there that simply do not perceive God.

Because they don’t want or need to.

 

[Colt]

Can you provide details on how others' gods are inferior to yours?

Yes, generally speaking, God the Father, reveled in the life of Jesus, who was himself a Son of God incarnate on earth, bore attributes that were superior to the concepts of the Pagan Gods. And none of the Pagan Gods did what Jesus did.

• Aphrodite: Greek goddess of love and beauty
• Odin: chief god in Norse mythology
• Isis: Egyptian goddess associated with motherhood, fertility, healing, and magic
• Brigid: Irish goddess associated with fire, smithcraft, and healing
• Pan: Greek god of the wild, often depicted as a half-man, half-goat creature
• Hecate: Greek goddess of witchcraft, magic, and ghosts
• Loki: Norse god of mischief and trickery
• Freya: Norse goddess of love, fertility, and war
• Lugh: Celtic god of the sun and master of skills
• The Green Man: spirit of the forest
• The Morrighan: Celtic goddess of war, fate, and death

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yes, generally speaking, God the Father, reveled in the life of Jesus, who was himself a Son of God incarnate on earth, bore attributes that were superior to the concepts of the Pagan Gods. And none of the Pagan Gods did what Jesus did.

Which attributes specifically?

 

[Secret Chief]

And the believers of other religions say the very same about their gods.

Yeah but they're wrong. Keep up.

 

[Colt]

Which attributes specifically?

IMOP that would be Gods omnipresence, omnipotence, supreme rule, primacy, infinity, truth, beauty and goodness.

 

[SalixIncendium]

IMOP that would be Gods omnipresence, omnipotence, supreme rule, primacy, infinity, truth, beauty and goodness.

Both Vishnu and Shiva are said to have all of these qualities (except, to my knowledge, supreme rule).

Why would one need a god that is a ruler over them. Is it your opinion that all creatures on Earth are meant to be subjugated? Does man wish to be subjugated?

 

[Colt]

Both Vishnu and Shiva are said to have all of these qualities (except, to my knowledge, supreme rule).

Why would one need a god that is a ruler over them. Is it your opinion that all creatures on Earth are meant to be subjugated? Does man wish to be subjugated?

Its not a matter of needing it, rather its a matter of accepting the reality of being a child of God and the supreme adventure of becoming an adult of God.

A rebellious self wants to be its own savior, but it cannot.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Its not a matter of needing it, rather its a matter of accepting the reality of being a child of God and the supreme adventure of becoming an adult of God.

A rebellious self wants to be its own savior, but it cannot.

So one who is not subjugated is rebellious by nature?

Would you consider those of other religions, then, to be rebellious?

Would you say that subjugating others is a quality that makes one superior to others?

 

[Colt]

So one who is not subjugated is rebellious by nature?

Would you consider those of other religions, then, to be rebellious?

Would you say that subjugating others is a quality that makes one superior to others?

I answered your questions which had the flavor of rebellion within them. We are born subjugated.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I answered your questions which had the flavor of rebellion within them. We are born subjugated.

I'm hoping you're talking about you and the mouse in your pocket, because it would be quite arrogant of you to speak for me and others.

 

[Audie]

Because they don’t want or need to.

You sure that's why?
It "would be quite arrogant" to speak
for me and others you don't know.

 

[Colt]

I'm hoping you're talking about you and the mouse in your pocket, because it would be quite arrogant of you to speak for me and others.

When I was in treatment there was this guy that would have the same reaction when someone used the word "we". He would bark out the same thing "what? do you have a MOUSE IN YOUR POCKET" ! LoL! We became conditioned not to say "we" around him because he was terminally unique! His case was "different". He didn't make it.

Like it or not YOU, me, we are severely limited within our sphere of existence in this world. There are quite a lot of inherent limitations that we can rage against all we want but we are subjugated by them. Like the mods on this forum "subjugate me" LoL! Its a fact of life, I can cooperate or be banned!

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[SalixIncendium]

When I was in treatment there was this guy that would have the same reaction when someone used the word "we". He would bark out the same thing "what? do you have a MOUSE IN YOUR POCKET" ! LoL! We became conditioned not to say "we" around him because he was terminally unique! His case was "different". He didn't make it.

Whether he made it or not is irrelevant. He had a valid point. Presuming to speak for others is nothing short of rude.

Like it or not YOU, me, we are severely limited within our sphere of existence in this world. There are quite a lot of inherent limitations that we can rage against all we want but we are subjugated by them.

It's quite clear in reading this that you know next to nothing about me, and probably little more, if any, about others, so speaking for me and others, as I see it, is nothing more than projecting your own self-image.

Like the mods on this forum "subjugate me" LoL! Its a fact of life, I can cooperate or be banned!

Are you okay?

 

[Colt]

Whether he made it or not is irrelevant. He had a valid point. Presuming to speak for others is nothing short of rude.


It's quite clear in reading this that you know next to nothing about me, and probably little more, if any, about others, so speaking for me and others, as I see it, is nothing more than projecting your own self-image.


Are you okay?

You seem oversensitive for no apparent reason? Don't ask questions if you cant handle answers.

 

[SalixIncendium]

You seem oversensitive for no apparent reason?

Projecting again, I see.

Don't ask questions if you cant handle answers.

Thank you for your concern, but please let me be the one to worry about answers I can and can't handle.

 

[RestlessSoul]

You sure that's why?
It "would be quite arrogant" to speak
for me and others you don't know.

No, you're right. There may be other reasons, of course; pride, resentment, fear, anger, the worldly clamours in one's own head - all these things can cut us off from the sunlight of the spirit.

 

[Audie]

No, you're right. There may be other reasons, of course; pride, resentment, fear, anger, the worldly clamours in one's own head - all these things can cut us off from the sunlight of the spirit.

Those are all just versions of they same thing.

None apply to me.

That you claim arcane wisdom is
to be expected.

It's a universal for every religion, cult,
etc. And every woo woo belief.

So..there some possibility you discovered the
One True.

But for me...

The " reasons" you list apply to me no more than
they speak to why you are getting great spiritual
benefit form Crystal Consciousness.
Or scientology.

Speaking ill of, speaking for, belittling others you know nothing about serves only to debase your own beliefs.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I think it's very important to consider that this verse was given to a specific group at a specific time and place. If it is taken out of that context, then, naturally there will be problems.

That pretty much makes the entire scripture irrelevant to those of us living in other times.

There may be other reasons, of course; pride, resentment, fear, anger, the worldly clamours in one's own head - all these things can cut us off from the sunlight of the spirit.

Those are the fruits of Abrahamic religion.

There are people out there that simply do not perceive God.

Nor dragons.

My viewpoint is God knows he is the truth and the path to him has to be from him and towards him. Following all other pathways will lead to destruction.

Except it doesn't. Atheism was my salvation from religion, which was a degrading influence in my life. I've lived a good, full, meaningful life without a god belief ever since.

I don't understand why pagans don't just exalt other beings but not equate them with God. It seems they wish to equate with God for no rational reason.

They don't need such a god belief. Neither do I.

Its not a guess or a theory for those who have found the presence of the Living God.

Nobody has found a god.

Maybe you are practicing phycological projection

Throwing algae?

anyone anywhere, inside or outside of any religion who is sincerely searching for God will find the Living God.

Unless no such god exists, in which case all he can find is his own mind believing it has found a god.

if one is sincerely searching for God then they have already found God.

The corollary of that is that if one has searched "sincerely" and found nothing, then there is nothing to find. Of course, we might have different understandings of what sincerity is here. I suspect that your meaning excludes critical thought.

none of the Pagan Gods did what Jesus did.

Jesus, if such a person existed, did nothing more that wander the Levant preaching, and then died.

A rebellious self wants to be its own savior, but it cannot.

I don't need a savior. I leave that to you and others willing to believe such a claim and submit to arbitrary rules that limit their lives needlessly and for nothing in return. Do you also worry about sin and hell? I hope not.

 

[Link]

Except it doesn't. Atheism was my salvation from religion, which was a degrading influence in my life. I've lived a good, full, meaningful life without a god belief ever since.

You are judging your life by what standards? As far my experience, whether a person is a sex worker or killing innocents in war or on the wrong side of the battlefield, everyone tells themselves they are good.

So you convincing yourself you are good is not proof.