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[Shadow Wolf]

I'l have to think on this one @Rival - this is an interesting topic.

At this juncture, I think it is simply worth noting that indigenous/animistic cultures - who see "person" or ethical subjects to apply well beyond merely humans - did not eschew killing non-human persons to satisfy vital needs. They also didn't suffer from the extreme disconnect modern, domesticated humans have with these killings and their necessity. Humans must kill other persons to live, full stop. There is no avoiding this. Contemporary reconstructions of indigenous religion, like that of my own path of Pagan Druidry, often make consideration of this a centerpiece of ritual. It very much honors how normal it is to kill to live instead of transforming it into a taboo. But non-indigenous religions that aren't grounded in nature won't take that angle. Neither will many modern, domesticated humans. It is what it is.

But we don't actually have to kill as we did. And when it's nit necessary, as the huge, vast majority of is today, should it be normal to accept killing as a normal part of life? Yes, even plants are alive but it's not eating something with conscious agency and awareness that's seen throughout the animal kingdom.

 

[Quintessence]

In minus 35 degrees, the modern alternative to fur is down filled, water resistant, breathable synthetics. It’s production is not environmentally friendly and it won’t keep you nor as warm or as dry + down-plucking too, is controversial. But that’s sometimes what’s available to purchase, so there’s not always that much choice.

So what we actually need to do is use all this fancy pants genetic modification technology to make furry humans. Then we won't need to kill other people or use environmentally problematic alternatives to stay warm in cold areas. The problem is that humans themselves suck and need to evolve themselves directly to be better. Furry. Humans.

 

[Koldo]

In minus 35 degrees, the modern alternative to fur is down filled, water resistant, breathable synthetics. It’s production is not environmentally friendly and it won’t keep you nor as warm or as dry + down-plucking too, is controversial. But that’s sometimes what’s available to purchase, so there’s not always that much choice.

Synthetic fleece is another warm option, but the current process used to turn plastics into the warmer types of fleece is in fact directly environmentally bad - I personally stay well away.

Boiled wool clothing is better but not warm enough in less than ca minus 15 degrees and not commonly available nowadays + yes, it requires sheep (though they need a trim anyways, so not a bad option).

I guess, what I’m saying is that fur has its place (the real cold) and far from all types are farmed for fur alone.


Humbly,
Hermit

Can I suggest that if someone happens to live in a place where it is common to face minus 35 degrees that those people should definitely not live in there? Because... you know.... that is extremely cold.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Can I suggest that if someone happens to live in a place where it is common to face minus 35 degrees that those people should definitely not live in there? Because... you know.... that is extremely cold.

It’s not constantly winter though. And not everyone can pick and choose where they live. After all, it’s not a free world for real.

 

[Koldo]

It’s not constantly winter though.

Doesn't matter.

And not everyone can pick and choose where they live. After all, it’s not a free world for real.

Whether one will be able to imigrate/live elsewhere has no bearing on whether they should.

 

[Father Heathen]

Is wearing fur today anything other conspicuous consumption?

When it comes to animal products, I believe that minimizing suffering and waste is the ethical approach.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Is wearing fur today anything other conspicuous consumption?

When it comes to animal products, I believe that minimizing suffering and waste is the ethical approach.

I mean, have you tried to function in minus 35 degrees Celsius? Fur works.
And there’s no need to go for mink or other types, farmed purely for fur. You can be a responsible fur-wearer.

Of course if you are blessed to live where true cold never reaches; that’s great news for you. No furs ever needed

 

[SalixIncendium]

I mean, have you tried to function in minus 35 degrees Celsius? Fur works.
And there’s no need to go for mink or other types, farmed purely for fur. You can be a responsible fur-wearer.

Of course if you are blessed to live where true cold never reaches; that’s great news for you. No furs ever needed

There are other alternatives that work as well as, if not better than, fur. Thinsulate and wool are just a couple.

And you can shear a sheep without killing it.

 

[Father Heathen]

I mean, have you tried to function in minus 35 degrees Celsius? Fur works.
And there’s no need to go for mink or other types, farmed purely for fur. You can be a responsible fur-wearer.

Of course if you are blessed to live where true cold never reaches; that’s great news for you. No furs ever needed

I understand killing for survival and sustenance, such as the practices of indigenous people in artic regions. But fur is usually sold as an expensive luxury item for vanity and status purposes. It's hardly a utilitarian market.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

There are other alternatives that work as well as, if not better than, fur. Thinsulate and wool are just a couple.

And you can shear a sheep without killing it.

Yes, I wrote just that earlier in thread

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yes, I wrote just that earlier in thread

Sorry, I didn't read through the entire thing.