Pakistan trying to provoke India into a war

[MD]

Unfortunately, I believe this is a legacy of the Cold War. The U.S. felt that India had fallen into the Soviet orbit. With that assumption the American government decided to throw support behind Pakistan to counter the U.S.S.R.

This illustrates one of the prime evils of the Cold War. Both the United States and the Soviet Union engaged in grand imperial projects to check each other in every corner of the globe.

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not suggesting that the Cold War is the reason for the current India/Pakistan hostilities. I only want to give an explanation for why historically America threw its support behind Pakistan even though it has been a military dictatorship for quite some time while India is an actual democracy. (Just remember, American interests have to do with open markets and "free" trade, not human rights or democracy, no matter how much they try to hide the fact...)

Yes I am aware of that, nonetheless the U.S. should have taken a more versatile foreign policy.

India did become the Soviet Union's biggest ally, and I would say it is Russia's biggest ally today. It buys billions upon billions of dollars of weapons from Russia every year, something which irks me because of the vast majority of poor India has. It is always pushing its growing economic and diplomatic weight behind Russia, India even supported the annexation of Crimea.

Then again the aggression of Pakistan must be confronted and stopped once and for all. The world runs more on power, money and violence than on helping others.

 

[von bek]

Yes I am aware of that, nonetheless the U.S. should have taken a more versatile foreign policy.

I agree with you. I'm just saying it fits a common Cold War pattern. The U.S. rehabilitated some nasty Japanese war criminals after WWII so they could serve as a strong bulwark again the spread of Communism in East Asia. U.S. foreign policy was pretty simplistic, if it hurts the Soviet Union the United States supports it. Period. No focus on repercussions. Why do you think the Islamic fighters were supported in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union? Carter and Reagan were not pro-Islamism, they were anti-Soviet. The U.S. supported Pakistan not because they liked them but because they wanted to stick their thumb in the eye of the USSR.

I agree it is terrible policy. This is what happens when empires begin throwing their weight around. The needs of average citizens are tossed aside in the interests of "Great Causes" and naked economic interest.

India did become the Soviet Union's biggest ally, and I would say it is Russia's biggest ally today. It buys billions upon billions of dollars of weapons from Russia every year, something which irks me because of the vast majority of poor India has. It is always pushing its growing economic and diplomatic weight behind Russia, India even supported the annexation of Crimea.

This began with Nehru, did it not?

Then again the aggression of Pakistan must be confronted and stopped once and for all. The world runs more on power, money and violence than on helping others.

You are right about what runs this world. The Buddha teaches that the acquisition of wealth leads to violence as people crave and cling to the wealth they have acquired.

Make no mistake, I side with India. If you asked me which nation I would rather live in, I would not even need to think about it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Don't worry. India and Pakistan are not going to have an all-out nuclear war obliterating all the 1449 million people living in the two countries. It is only about the on-going Kashmir elections. Once the elections are over on Dec. 20, things will cool down.

 

[Aupmanyav]

India did become the Soviet Union's biggest ally, and I would say it is Russia's biggest ally today. It buys billions upon billions of dollars of weapons from Russia every year, something which irks me because of the vast majority of poor India has. It is always pushing its growing economic and diplomatic weight behind Russia, India even supported the annexation of Crimea.

What could India do when US was supporting Pakistan? We buy arms from many countries and not just Russia. The pattern has been changing. Irks you? Why? What do you propose India fight with in case of hostilities with China or Pakistan? India does not support Russia in Ukraine, it has spoken only against unilateral sanctions.

The U.S. felt that India had fallen into the Soviet orbit.

US wanted India as a minion, and India refused to be that.

 

[ShivaFan]

Regions in Pakistan (inclusive when still part of India) are the origins of politicized "modern" Islamic extremism, terrorism, Khalifat (Khilafat there) revivalism, it spread from there to the ME later. It has the head of a snake. The military in Pakistan and associated dictators walk a fine line between their own Islamic identity and dealing with these terrorists which they also use for their own agenda as well as killing them and torture of captives when they think they threaten their own power structure. The really bad elements in Pakistan are causing issues and spawning evil all over the world, not just spilling over and attacking India. So sometimes it is these terrorists spilling over, other times it is the Pak military.

Unless the Pakistani despots crush the terrorists, I am telling you this isn't going to turn out very well - ... for Pakistan.

Yes there will be a lot of death and serious bad stuff for all, India et all, but in the end the worst will come to them in Pakistan. Pakistan has no chance of winning an actual war against India. I am telling you, a hot full scale war with India is going to be bad, but India will literally take down Pakistan in five days and I am serious about that. But the terrorist struggle will continue and linger out of Pakistan like a pestering open sore. The hot war will be done in 5 days, the other war will go on.

The world needs to understand. This war (Islamic terrorism and Khalifat) is going to be a war in "slow motion" intersperced with short but ugly real battlefields and conventional warfare. It will be long and ugly. No one on planet earth can just sit in their comfy little house and say it's someplace else and going on for centuries and not my problem. You all will be in it for a long time whether you want to or not. It will take about 50 to 100 years and nothing is going to be nice about it. Get used to it, welcome to the war Kilroy.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

And again, we see further provocation from the terrorist state. They have the audacity to lodge protests at India after they start firing on BSF.

Not a fan of the TOI, but, Pak doesn't seem to learn any lesson: Manohar Parrikar - The Times of India