Palestinians Worst Enemy - Hamas!

[Kenny]

Starving their own people is their effort to taint Israel through world Public Relations:

Hamas warehouses in Gaza are overflowing with stolen humanitarian aid - N12

“At this point, we have everything... The warehouse is at full capacity," a Hamas terrorist can be heard saying in an intercepted recording.

www.jpost.com

Where is the world outcry?

Probably, to continue the PR fake news, the answer will be… “BUT LOOK AT WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING” to cause people to not see the obvious… the starvation of their own people by Hamas!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Starving their own people is their effort to taint Israel through world Public Relations:

Hamas warehouses in Gaza are overflowing with stolen humanitarian aid - N12

“At this point, we have everything... The warehouse is at full capacity," a Hamas terrorist can be heard saying in an intercepted recording.

www.jpost.com

Where is the world outcry?

Probably, to continue the PR fake news, the answer will be… “BUT LOOK AT WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING” to cause people to not see the obvious… the starvation of their own people by Hamas!

The issue of Hamas as the worst enemy of the Palestinians should not, and must not, silence the demand that we "LOOK AT WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING". To argue otherwise is vile indifference and threatens irreparable harm to Israel, our people, and especially our hostages.

 

[Kenny]

The issue of Hamas as the worst enemy of the Palestinians should not, and must not, silence the demand that we "LOOK AT WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING". To argue otherwise is vile indifference and threatens irreparable harm to Israel, our people, and especially our hostages.

You do have a point...

What I was trying to say, although perhaps not well enough, (taking this post as an example) - people will put on the rant of “Israel is starving the Palestinians” and make that the mantra fueled by media and be totally closed to the reality of what is really happening.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Starving their own people is their effort to taint Israel through world Public Relations:

Hamas warehouses in Gaza are overflowing with stolen humanitarian aid - N12

“At this point, we have everything... The warehouse is at full capacity," a Hamas terrorist can be heard saying in an intercepted recording.

www.jpost.com

Where is the world outcry?

Probably, to continue the PR fake news, the answer will be… “BUT LOOK AT WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING” to cause people to not see the obvious… the starvation of their own people by Hamas!

Palestinians worst enemy are still the ones that run Israel.

Even if this report is true it doesn't change the fact that Palestinians are still under occupation, are still under apartheid regime, are still being ethnic cleansed, are still thousands innocent Palestinians in prison, are still being bombed in the biggest open prison in the world.

So sure maybe Hamas doesn’t do things in the best interest for the Palestinians. But wasn’t that the goal of Israel when they propped up Hamas to undermine the PLO and to divide the palastinians?

 

[sayak83]

Starving their own people is their effort to taint Israel through world Public Relations:

Hamas warehouses in Gaza are overflowing with stolen humanitarian aid - N12

“At this point, we have everything... The warehouse is at full capacity," a Hamas terrorist can be heard saying in an intercepted recording.

www.jpost.com

Where is the world outcry?

Probably, to continue the PR fake news, the answer will be… “BUT LOOK AT WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING” to cause people to not see the obvious… the starvation of their own people by Hamas!

There is very little doubt in anyone's mind that extremist organisations like Hamas, Taliban, ISIL etc are the world's and their own people's worst enemies.
However, it is also correct to say that actions of USA in Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel in Gaza have been immense strategic and humanitarian disasters.

 

[Kenny]

Palestinians worst enemy are still the ones that run Israel.

Even if this report is true it doesn't change the fact that Palestinians are still under occupation, are still under apartheid regime, are still being ethnic cleansed, are still thousands innocent Palestinians in prison, are still being bombed in the biggest open prison in the world.

So sure maybe Hamas doesn’t do things in the best interest for the Palestinians. But wasn’t that the goal of Israel when they propped up Hamas to undermine the PLO and to divide the palastinians?

@Jayhawker Soule - See what I mean.

May Peace be upon you… if there is ethnic cleansing, why do 150,000 Palestinians work iin Israel and no Israeli’s work or are permitted to work in Palestine? And if an Israeli worked in Palestine, how long would he be alive?

I think you have it backwards in genocide (fueled by media) - only one group of people want to exterminate the other… that being Hamas wanting to exterminate the Jews. Why else would they spend billions in weapons and underground infrastructure and bring thieir people to starvation at the expense of their own people?

 

[Kenny]

There is very little doubt in anyone's mind that extremist organisations like Hamas, Taliban, ISIL etc are the world's and their own people's worst enemies.

Thank you

However, it is also correct to say that actions of USA in Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel in Gaza have been immense strategic and humanitarian disasters.

Don’t want to pull in other countries...

What would you have done differently in Gaza knowing now about the billions invested in tunnels and weaponry hidden close to people and their goal of genocide?

 

[sayak83]

Thank you


Don’t want to pull in other countries...

What would you have done differently in Gaza knowing now about the billions invested in tunnels and weaponry hidden close to people and their goal of genocide?

I would have implemented a two state solution and created an international security force to be in charge of security of the new Palestinian state for the next 10-15 years till the Hamas extremists are uprooted. If Israel cooperates, US and NATO can do it. Have a joint operation with NATO, Turkey and Egypt in charge of Security of the new Palestinian state.
Hamas can say anything. But its capabilities to actually conduct any genocide is non existent. Hamas can be dealt with as we deal with any organized criminal organization, like the old Mafia or the drug and immigration cartels of South America.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

@Jayhawker Soule - See what I mean.

May Peace be upon you… if there is ethnic cleansing, why do 150,000 Palestinians work iin Israel and no Israeli’s work or are permitted to work in Palestine? And if an Israeli worked in Palestine, how long would he be alive?

I think you have it backwards in genocide (fueled by media) - only one group of people want to exterminate the other… that being Hamas wanting to exterminate the Jews. Why else would they spend billions in weapons and underground infrastructure and bring thieir people to starvation at the expense of their own people?

Ethnic cleansing has nothing to with palastinians working in Israel. Etnic cleansing means removing people from their homes and not allowing them back. From 1947 until now this is happening, starting with almost a million and for decades after in the West Bank.

Billions in weapons ?
That’s a bit far fetched. Millions could be possible since they don’t have weapons that cost that much, I mean you can’t get a tank or a fighter jet through a tunnel.

But it seems like you are implying the Palestinians have no right to fight back?

 

[Kenny]

I would have implemented a two state solution and created an international security force to be in charge of security of the new Palestinian state for the next 10-15 years till the Hamas extremists are uprooted. If Israel cooperates, US and NATO can do it. Have a joint operation with NATO, Turkey and Egypt in charge of Security of the new Palestinian state.
Hamas can say anything. But its capabilities to actually conduct any genocide is non existent. Hamas can be dealt with as we deal with any organized criminal organization, like the old Mafia or the drug and immigration cartels of South America.

Yes, it would have been great if the international security forces actually made that happen. But they didn’t and certainly Hamas wouldn’t let that happen and doesn’t cooperate.

But great idea.

 

[Kenny]

Ethnic cleansing has nothing to with palastinians working in Israel. Etnic cleansing means removing people from their homes and not allowing them back. From 1947 until now this is happening, starting with almost a million and for decades after in the West Bank.\1)

No… that isn’t the definition BUT, using your definition,

1) Israelis are displace from northern Israel
2) Since 1847 the Islamic militants have stopped every effort for a two-state solution through war in an attempt to exterminate the Jews from the area.

Billions in weapons ?

Yes. They continue to find more and more weapons, missiles et al. How much do you think they cost per missile or rocket?

That’s a bit far fetched. Millions could be possible since they don’t have weapons that cost that much, I mean you can’t get a tank or a fighter jet through a tunnel.

Are you adding the costs of materials, transportation, manufacturing, and salaries? And how much do you think it costs to make all those tunnels with ventilation / electric et al?

But it seems like you are implying the Palestinians have no right to fight back?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

@Jayhawker Soule - See what I mean.

Palestinians worst enemy are still the ones that run Israel.

Assalamu'alaikum ...

It would be grossly ignorant to deny that Hamas is a vile terrorist organization working against the interests of the Palestinian people. But it is grossly irresponsible to deny that "Palestinian's worst enemy are still the ones that run Israel."

Hamas started this vicious war but they did not create its preconditions. As a Jew, I stand with Vivian Silver and others who denounce the occupation and insist on the right of Palestinian self-determination.

 

[Kenny]

Assalamu'alaikum ...

It would be grossly ignorant to deny that Hamas is a vile terrorist organization working against the interests of the Palestinian people. But it is grossly irresponsible to deny that "Palestinian's worst enemy are still the ones that run Israel."

Hamas started this vicious war but they did not create its preconditions. As a Jew, I stand with Vivian Silver and others who denounce the occupation and insist on the right of Palestinian self-determination.

Where have I said that Palestinians shouldn’t have self determination?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Where have I said that Palestinians shouldn’t have self determination?

I don't believe that I've suggested such a thing.

 

[sayak83]

Thank you


Don’t want to pull in other countries...

What would you have done differently in Gaza knowing now about the billions invested in tunnels and weaponry hidden close to people and their goal of genocide?

Also I do pull in other countries. The response of the West to any terrorist attack with invasion is both predictable and disastrous. In fact these terrorists want you guys to invade, as that will swell their recruitment numbers.

Yes, it would have been great if the international security forces actually made that happen. But they didn’t and certainly Hamas wouldn’t let that happen and doesn’t cooperate.

But great idea.

I think there is reluctance on part of Israel that is the problem here. If Israel accepted a 2 state solution, creating an international security force to be responsible for the Palestinian state over a 10-15 year period like what happened for West Germany or South Korea or Japan would not have been much of a problem in my view.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

No… that isn’t the definition BUT, using your definition,

1) Israelis are displace from northern Israel
2) Since 1847 the Islamic militants have stopped every effort for a two-state solution through war in an attempt to exterminate the Jews from the area

ethnic cleansing, the attempt to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to particular ethnic groups.

Expulsion of Palestinians in 1947/1949 is indeed deemed ethnic cleansing by historians and scholars. I mean how else you are gonna establish a majority of Jews in a Jewish state ?

Stopped a 2 state solution? I mean that’s just ignorant thing to say, because in 1947 there were more Palestinians then Jews. So 55-45 deal wasn’t fair. So they didn’t stopped rather they didn’t agree in the terms.

Are you adding the costs of materials, transportation, manufacturing, and salaries? And how much do you think it costs to make all those tunnels with ventilation / electric et al?

Fair enough, I don’t know how much about the weapons that are being used, but from what I know their rockets are not that sophisticated. So maybe you can share what the most expensive rocket launcher they have and the cost of that.

You didn’t answer my question?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

It would be grossly ignorant to deny that Hamas is a vile terrorist organization working against the interests of the Palestinian people. But it is grossly irresponsible to deny that "Palestinian's worst enemy are still the ones that run Israel."

No that’s not ignorance . Because the situation of the Palestinians they have a right to a armed resistance, because of that Hamas isn’t a terrorist organization because that would mean that the Palestinians have no right for armed resistance?
But what we can do is call a action itself as a war crime. So for example them killing non combatants ion 7 October s a war crime but them killing combatants is not.

If you wanna be consistent then how are you gonna define Israel? Since they have a apartheid regime in the West Bank and expanding settlements which means removing Palestinians yet again from their homes, this is considered to be a war crime.

Hamas started this vicious war but they did not create its preconditions. As a Jew, I stand with Vivian Silver and others who denounce the occupation and insist on the right of Palestinian self-determination.

No hamas didn’t started anything since the conflict is going on for decades. To imply that everything is sunshine and rainbows is because of that they did what they did. They have put the topic back on the agenda of international agencies.

I respect that you are of the opinion that denounce the occupation and insist on self determination. How are we gonna achieve that when Israel has a carte blanche, let alone the fact the that right wing scum doesn’t make anything much better.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It would be grossly ignorant to deny that Hamas is a vile terrorist organization working against the interests of the Palestinian people.

No that’s not ignorance .

We're done ...

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

We're done ...

Not suprised but a shame. There is a reason why Hamas isn’t considered a terrorist organization since Palestinians have a right to resist. The reason why they are labeled by other countries is because that gives Israel reason saying, well you see we can’t negotiate with terrorist, meaning prolonging the conflict.

They should do what they did with the party of Arafat in oslo negotiations. Pull the label of a terrorist organization off and start talking with each other,

Cheers

 

[idea]

Palestinian self-determination.

What percentage of Palestinians voted for Hamas vs. Fatah? Before self-determination, they have to be self-reliant. Gaza does not have its own fully operational power plant and relies significantly on electricity imports from Israel and Egypt. The region also struggles with water scarcity and has limited water treatment facilities, leading to heavy dependence on external sources for these essential services.

Like a rebellious teenager wanting to be independent, who doesn't have a job, can't take care of themselves yet.

Until Palestinians have their own power plant and water treatment plants, until they are self-reliant they need to respect the powers who take care of them.