Please be specific, I hope to go beyond just the labels. Do you accept the concept of natural selection? Do you accept the concept of common descent?
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Panentheists, what is your take on creationism?
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TheKnight
Guardian of Life
I feel as if the explanation offered by Biologists is, perhaps, the way things appear with the devices and science we have to measure and discern such things.
At the core of my belief, we both exist essentially and not at all. So it doesn't matter to me how people view the way the world came to be. If some want to believe in young Earth creationism, so be it. If some want to believe in an eternal universe where evolution is the reason why humanity is, so be it. If some wish to believe that a giant space worm ejaculated onto a rock and we were the result, so be it. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't make that much of a difference.
What we know is that it exists, or at least we perceive it as existing. Thus we must deal with that fact and do what we can to improve our situation here ad infinitum.
At the core of my belief, we both exist essentially and not at all. So it doesn't matter to me how people view the way the world came to be. If some want to believe in young Earth creationism, so be it. If some want to believe in an eternal universe where evolution is the reason why humanity is, so be it. If some wish to believe that a giant space worm ejaculated onto a rock and we were the result, so be it. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't make that much of a difference.
What we know is that it exists, or at least we perceive it as existing. Thus we must deal with that fact and do what we can to improve our situation here ad infinitum.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Depends on what you mean by the term. I think evolution is how the Godiverse develops, and absolutely reject the "poofing" put forth by the Bible. Of course, few panentheists would care about the Bible, so I wonder if you' mean something else by "Creationism."fantôme profane;2224051 said:
Twig pentagram
High Priest
I think the universe created itself.
St Giordano Bruno
Well-Known Member
My take! the universe created itself, and not out of intelligent intent of course.
This is exactly why I wanted to get past the labels and get down to specifics.
(this is directed at everyone, not just Storm)
I really want to know specifically if you accept common descent? And do you accept the theory of evolution by natural selection.
Let me also add a couple more questions. How do you feel about creationist groups and organizations such as Answers in Genesis and the like?
How do you feel about the work of modern biologists who consider the theory of evolution to be the absolute bedrock of biological science?
I am reluctant to give my definition of creationism as I think it would bias this thread. So please forget that term, and please just answer these four questions.
1. Do you accept common descent?
2. Do you accept the theory of evolution by natural selection?
3. How do you feel about organizations like Answers in Genesis?
4. How do you feel about modern scientists who consider evolution to be the foundation of modern biology?
Twig pentagram
High Priest
#1- It seems possible.
#2- I think evolution is real.
#3- Never heard of them.
#4- Never really thought about them.
#2- I think evolution is real.
#3- Never heard of them.
#4- Never really thought about them.
Twig pentagram
High Priest
I just noticed that you were asking panentheist about creationism. I thought that said pantheist. 
Thank you, all.
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
I kind of cared about the Bible when I was panentheist.
I don't see how anyone can deny evolution is they look at all of the fossil records, mutations actually taking place modernly, etc. Yet when it comes to a "better" explanation, that explanation is only based on one thing: Books.
Izdaari
Emergent Anglo-Catholic
I also think evolution is the most probable answer. I just believe that God is behind it. Which is actually a very common position amongst non-fundamentalist Christians.
Izdaari
Emergent Anglo-Catholic
That has supporters and associations that I'd rather not endorse. I'd rather just say that God created everything and evolution was one of his methods.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Absolutely.
Yes. Wholeheartedly.
They're idiots, driven by a religio-political agenda, creating propaganda and spreading lies for the purpose of furthering their ideology.
I've met them, and I feel great about them. They're awesome, and I wish them long and healthy lives.
steveb1
Member
No creator is necessary or evidenced. If a creator does exist, it would not fit my God-definition of God as infinite wisdom and infinite compassion, because the "creation" does not reflect those divine virtues. My core panentheistic belief goes little further than the definition of the term, i.e., the universe is "in" God. God is a living presence "in" the universe and the human soul. God's presence in world and humankind does not necessitate God being a creator. God is "here" (immanent) and "more than here" (transcendent). Our souls have an innate "transcendence detector" or "transcendental lens" by which the panentheistic deity is sensed. This accounts for the varieties of mystical experience.