Parents want unvaxxed blood transfusion

[stvdv]

Child of Parents needs operation, and probably blood transfusion

Parents want unvaxxed blood used
And found a donor they have faith in

State (judge) rules against parents

Right or wrong in your opinion?

I am curious what JW think about this: So @nPeace, @Hockeycowboy, @YoursTrue, @Vee,

And @Frank Goad, @Seeker of White Light

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national...inated-donor-blood-case-what-you-need-to-know

 

[SomeRandom]

Blood transfusions signal to me something potentially life threatening. Which is really the only scenario I can think of that overrules parental consent for medical procedures in general (at least in Oz, as far as I’m aware.)
On a personal level I’d think this is, well wholly dumb and idiotic, to be frank.
Not only is it just paranoid, it goes against decades worth of medical science that we can verify and see for ourselves.
(Your blood isn’t actually altered by vaccines! I learnt that in freaking primary school. Jesus this stuff is beyond basic! So what difference does it make???)
On top of that blood that’s donated is already is short supply since it’s totally voluntary. And on top of that, blood may be rejected due to the strict screening process that’s been in place for decades (due to things like Mad Cow disease.)
So I mean you have to take what you can get, is what I say lol
However, unless it’s a life threatening situation, the parents can refuse if they so choose. I mean JWs famously deny blood transfusions. For themselves and their children and outside of life threatening scenarios(for the kids) that’s their right to do so here
Again, as far as I’m aware.

 

[Secret Chief]

I'd go with the Haematologist and transfusion medicine specialist.

 

[Secret Chief]

I was going to vote
"Ruling is to safeguard Covid business"
but then I remembered I'm not a completely paranoid idiot.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't care about my babies life just so long as the blood doner has the same politics as me

Sheesh.

So the unvaccinated doner gives their pint of blood. During the op more than a pint is required. Should the doctor stop while another unvaccinated doner is found?

I really don't understand some people

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I don't care about my babies life just so long as the blood doner has the same politics as me

Sheesh.

So the unvaccinated doner gives their pint of blood. During the op more than a pint is required. Should the doctor stop while another unvaccinated doner is found?

I really don't understand some people

Probably some of the concerns of such people is from reading Alex Jones conspiracy theories. I've heard (obviously not true) conspiracy theories such as "a Covid vaccine puts a live sea creature in your blood", etc.

 

[ChristineM]

Probably some of the concerns of such people is from reading Alex Jones conspiracy theories. I've heard (obviously not true) conspiracy theories such as "a Covid vaccine puts a live sea creature in your blood", etc.

You cannot fix stupid unfortunately.

 

[Revoltingest]

Baby's health trumps parents' wishes.
This is a case where the state (which already has this power) should step in.
Of course, government is dangerous.
But we use it (ideally) where the benefits (baby's wellbeing) outweigh the risks.

 

[SomeRandom]

Probably some of the concerns of such people is from reading Alex Jones conspiracy theories. I've heard (obviously not true) conspiracy theories such as "a Covid vaccine puts a live sea creature in your blood", etc.

Wait..seriously? That sounds a parody of Jones
Then again, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised at that.
The man is beyond parody

 

[Revoltingest]

Wait..seriously? That sounds a parody of Jones
Then again, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised at that.
The man is beyond parody

I wonder if Alex Jones writes for The Onion?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Wait..seriously? That sounds a parody of Jones
Then again, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised at that.
The man is beyond parody

I should clarify I'm not for sure this came from Jones directly. But there are microscopic pictures of the virus and some look like a sea creature (they aren't), and people took those pictures and twisted them to say that the vaccine does that.

But it does get weird either way. If I recall, Alex Jones sells black pepper pills on his website.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

@SomeRandom - articles even had to tell people these things weren't true: Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not contain live immortal creatures, experts say

 

[Debater Slayer]

I'm glad the judge and doctors have stepped in to save a life that was going to be lost to unfounded and conspiracy-minded beliefs. There are enough preventable deaths without babies being denied life-saving blood transfusions.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I was looking for an option that wasn't available: 11. If making babies required any brains at all, this issue wouldn't have come up.

 

[exchemist]

Child of Parents needs operation, and probably blood transfusion

Parents want unvaxxed blood used
And found a donor they have faith in

State (judge) rules against parents

Right or wrong in your opinion?

I am curious what JW think about this: So @nPeace, @Hockeycowboy, @YoursTrue, @Vee,

And @Frank Goad, @Seeker of White Light

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national...inated-donor-blood-case-what-you-need-to-know

These parents are idiots and the health system should have other priorities than to cater to their crazy whims.

 

[Polymath257]

It looks to me like Protective Child Services needs to step in and the parental rights suspended.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Child of Parents needs operation, and probably blood transfusion

Parents want unvaxxed blood used
And found a donor they have faith in

State (judge) rules against parents

Right or wrong in your opinion?

I am curious what JW think about this: So @nPeace, @Hockeycowboy, @YoursTrue, @Vee,

And @Frank Goad, @Seeker of White Light

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national...inated-donor-blood-case-what-you-need-to-know

The parents are wrong and the court should appoint a guardian.

The best interests of the child should prevail over all other concerns. The parents' uninformed views aren't a reason to deny or compromise life-saving treatment for the child.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

State (judge) rules against parents. Right or wrong in your opinion?

That's the correct ruling in my opinion. There are many judgments we don't allow parents to make regarding their children, sometimes removing children from them because of their poor judgment.

We can allow the parents to try to find such a donor and use that blood if available in time, which shouldn't be too difficult for them, but surgery should not be delayed to accommodate unscientific fears that threaten the child's wellbeing.

I didn't choose any of the options. I think courts should decide, and hopefully, they will agree with the physicians.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't care about my babies life just so long as the blood doner has the same politics as me

Sheesh.

So the unvaccinated doner gives their pint of blood. During the op more than a pint is required. Should the doctor stop while another unvaccinated doner is found?

I really don't understand some people

The article went into some of the risks with donor-directed blood. The likelihood of a donor lying on their screening questionnaire increases when the donation is directed to a particular person that they know... and when the recipient will know right away if they decline to donate (e.g. if they know their blood would be unsuitable).

 

[Father Heathen]

I had already posted this story to the Covid-19 section as per the rules, but it was never approved.

That said, the vast majority of these poll choices are pretty damn dopey.

If parents recklessly and irresponsibly endanger their child, authorities should intervene. How is this even debatable? It's sick that some nutjobs are willing to jeopardize the lives of others over irrational, unsubstantiated, imbecilic conspiracy theories.

If they get their baby back, I hope they don't bottle feed it bleach.