Parents want unvaxxed blood transfusion

[Father Heathen]

Oh, and since JWs were mentioned, the same applies; just swap out conspiracy theory with superstition.

People are entitled to their ridiculous beliefs, but they're not entitled to act upon them in ways that endanger others.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's the correct ruling in my opinion. There are many judgments we don't allow parents to make regarding their children, sometimes removing children from them because of their poor judgment.

I think it's worth pointing out that outright removal isn't even on the table here. The guardian they're asking the court to appoint would be for this medical decision only. The child would stay with the parents; the guardian would just consent to the life-saving treatment on behalf of the child.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Stupid beliefs that have no basis in reality should never be grounds to prevent your kid from getting needed healthcare. It's abusive to make such demands as it is needlessly reducing the chances of your child's survival, and as it is something that would needlessly lead to further harm and suffering these people need investigated and probably have the children removed before their parents can do even more harm.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think it's worth pointing out that outright removal isn't even on the table here. The guardian they're asking the court to appoint would be for this medical decision only. The child would stay with the parents; the guardian would just consent to the life-saving treatment on behalf of the child.

And that's **** because when it's not religion then withholding medical treatment is abuse. America gives too many allowances to freedom of religion, it gives too much power to the parents over the child, and it finds needlessly dead kids amd kids forced into things only wanted by the parents to be perfectly acceptable.

 

[Father Heathen]

Also what does "mainstream COVID story" even mean? Most of us don't watch InfoWars.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And that's **** because when it's not religion then withholding medical treatment is abuse. America gives too many allowances to freedom of religion, it gives too much power to the parents over the child, and it finds needlessly dead kids amd kids forced into things only wanted by the parents to be perfectly acceptable.

This case is in New Zealand.

 

[Father Heathen]

And that's **** because when it's not religion then withholding medical treatment is abuse. America gives too many allowances to freedom of religion, it gives too much power to the parents over the child, and it finds needlessly dead kids amd kids forced into things only wanted by the parents to be perfectly acceptable.

Exactly. Freedom of religion shouldn't supercede the rights of others.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think it's worth pointing out that outright removal isn't even on the table here. The guardian they're asking the court to appoint would be for this medical decision only. The child would stay with the parents; the guardian would just consent to the life-saving treatment on behalf of the child.

I fear for the child's future given that their parents' judgement cannot be trusted.

 

[Father Heathen]

This case is in New Zealand.

True, but in a general sense her point still stands.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I fear for the child's future given that their parents' judgement cannot be trusted.

The courts recognize a child's right to life-saving medical intervention. They don't recognize a child's right not to be brought up to be a dumbass who makes bad decisions.

 

[SomeRandom]

I wonder if Alex Jones writes for The Onion?

Wouldn’t surprise me lol
Then again, he might be too far even for them

 

[SomeRandom]

@SomeRandom - articles even had to tell people these things weren't true: Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not contain live immortal creatures, experts say

I…..have no words. We need to invest more money into education. God damn!!

 

[sayak83]

Blood transfusions signal to me something potentially life threatening. Which is really the only scenario I can think of that overrules parental consent for medical procedures in general (at least in Oz, as far as I’m aware.)
On a personal level I’d think this is, well wholly dumb and idiotic, to be frank.
Not only is it just paranoid, it goes against decades worth of medical science that we can verify and see for ourselves.
(Your blood isn’t actually altered by vaccines! I learnt that in freaking primary school. Jesus this stuff is beyond basic! So what difference does it make???)
On top of that blood that’s donated is already is short supply since it’s totally voluntary. And on top of that, blood may be rejected due to the strict screening process that’s been in place for decades (due to things like Mad Cow disease.)
So I mean you have to take what you can get, is what I say lol
However, unless it’s a life threatening situation, the parents can refuse if they so choose. I mean JWs famously deny blood transfusions. For themselves and their children and outside of life threatening scenarios(for the kids) that’s their right to do so here
Again, as far as I’m aware.

Parents cannot be allowed to take decisions that doctors believe are a clear danger to their child's health. That is child endangerment. But if that is actually happening here will be decided by the courts.

 

[Father Heathen]

I…..have no words. We need to invest more money into education. God damn!!

That's just it; republicans actively seek to defund and lower the quality of education, because informed, critical thinkers tend not to vote for them. It's no coincidence that those who wallow in conspiracy theories and scientific illiteracy also vote Republican.

 

[SomeRandom]

That's just it; republicans actively seek to defund and lower the quality of education, because informed, critical thinkers tend not to vote for them. It's no coincidence that those who wallow in conspiracy theories and scientific illiteracy also vote Republican.

Whilst I certainly agree (or at least can’t argue since I’m not an American lol.)This specific case is in New Zealand. The crazy is spreading!!! Help!!!!!

 

[SomeRandom]

Parents cannot be allowed to take decisions that doctors believe are a clear danger to their child's health. That is child endangerment. But if that is actually happening here will be decided by the courts.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I was merely stating that we do legally allow some, let’s call them, “interesting medical decisions” to be made on behalf of the child. As long as it doesn’t specifically kill said child.
Whether or not that in itself is acceptable is certainly something we as a society can and should discuss, imo

 

[sayak83]

I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I was merely stating that we do legally allow some, let’s call them, “interesting medical decisions” to be made on behalf of the child. As long as it doesn’t specifically kill said child.
Whether or not that in itself is acceptable is certainly something we as a society can and should discuss, imo

Actually there is a precedent to this
Judge rules Jehovah’s Witness boy can receive blood transfusion

 

[SomeRandom]

Actually there is a precedent to this
Judge rules Jehovah’s Witness boy can receive blood transfusion

Interesting
I stand corrected

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I was merely stating that we do legally allow some, let’s call them, “interesting medical decisions” to be made on behalf of the child. As long as it doesn’t specifically kill said child.
Whether or not that in itself is acceptable is certainly something we as a society can and should discuss, imo

Intervening to help the child comes with harms and risks of its own, so we only - or at least ought to only - do it when it's clear that the harm prevented by intervening significantly outweighs the harm caused by intervening.

... so there will always be "interesting" decisions that go unaddressed.

 

[Father Heathen]

Whilst I certainly agree (or at least can’t argue since I’m not an American lol.)This specific case is in New Zealand. The crazy is spreading!!! Help!!!!!

I thought you referencing the notion of COVID vaccines containing living creatures, not the NZ case.