Parkland, Nikolas Cruz, and the Death Penalty

[Jayhawker Soule]

Personally, I think Mr Cruz should be tied to one of those medieval torture racks and then he should be pulled apart.

^ sick bombast

 

[Heyo]

So if it’s crueler to give a life sentence without parole it must be kinder to put the murderer out of their misery?.

What about giving them the choice and the opportunity to end their own life fast and painless?

To administer the death penalty you need a (or several) killer. I wouldn't want to live near someone who has no objections against killing defenceless people.

So, no, it isn't kinder to "put them out of their misery". It isn't kind in the first place to put them in a place of misery. They should be in a place where they are no danger to society and with a chance to rehabilitation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I disagree,it ticks the boxes of closure,the murderer dies,his life is closed,the parents can try to move on and heal.

With the fact he will never ever kill again on this planet.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What about giving them the choice and the opportunity to end their own life fast and painless?

To administer the death penalty you need a (or several) killer. I wouldn't want to live near someone who has no objections against killing defenceless people.

So, no, it isn't kinder to "put them out of their misery". It isn't kind in the first place to put them in a place of misery. They should be in a place where they are no danger to society and with a chance to rehabilitation.

There is no rehabilitation for a psychopath.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Let provide a real historical example from India.
Around 1995, the Indian police arrested a terrorist leader for executing several terrorist attacks. He went to trial, and instead of death penalty, he got life in prison. Then, a few years later, the terror group whose leader he was hijacked an India plane and landed it in Afghanistan where, with the help of the Taliban govt., forced the Indian govt. to release the terrorist leader in exchange for the 200 passengers on the plane. Then this terrorist leader took refuge in Pakistan and planned and executed the Mumbai terrorist attack that killed 400 people.

In my view, some people are too dangerous to be given life sentences and a country should consider whether it has the ability to contain such people from doing future mayhem before deciding such things.

Indian Airlines Flight 814 - Wikipedia

That's why sometimes, execution is the more compassionate means to an end.

 

[Heyo]

There is no rehabilitation for a psychopath.

Psychopathy != criminality. Most psychopaths are CEOs or politicians.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Psychopathy != criminality. Most psychopaths are CEOs or politicians.

Yep...

Activision CEO threatened to have his assistant killed: report

 

[We Never Know]

From the NPR article: A jury recommends life in prison for Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz

Speaking to the press after the verdict, family members of the victims expressed anger and frustration.

"I am disgusted with our legal system. I am disgusted with those jurors," said Ilan Alhadeff, the father of victim Alyssa Alhadeff. "That you can allow 17 dead and 17 others shot and wounded and not give the death penalty. What do we have the death penalty for? What is the purpose of it? You set a precedent today. You set a precedent for the next mass killing, that nothing happens to you. You'll get life in jail. I'm sorry – that is not OK. As a country we need to stand up and say that's not OK!"

"I pray that that animal suffers every day of his life in jail. And he should have a short life," Alhadeff added.

Cruz carried out the massacre on Valentine's Day in 2018. He was 19 at the time, and had been expelled from the school. He entered a school building through an unlocked side door and used an AR-15-style rifle to kill 14 students and three staff members, as well as wound 17 others.​

Hence the poll ...

Taxes will pay to feed, house, provide entertainment(TV, basketball, weights, etc), medical and dental for the rest of his life.

 

[England my lionheart]

What about giving them the choice and the opportunity to end their own life fast and painless?

To administer the death penalty you need a (or several) killer. I wouldn't want to live near someone who has no objections against killing defenceless people.

So, no, it isn't kinder to "put them out of their misery". It isn't kind in the first place to put them in a place of misery. They should be in a place where they are no danger to society and with a chance to rehabilitation.

I agree they should be offered the means to do it themselves but I think that a chance of rehabilitation is too dangerous,it has a history of people reoffending,the death penalty puts a full stop to any problems.

 

[Heyo]

the death penalty puts a full stop to any problems.

Except the problem that is the existence of the death penalty itself.

 

[Glaurung]

Yes, it did. I think it was John Paul II who introduced his objection to the death penalty. And many Catholics disagreed with him, including Justice Anton Scalia, who believed the death penalty was appropriate and denounced the new Catechism of John Paul II.

A prudential judgment against the modern application of the death penalty is well and good. The claim that the death penalty is in itself inadmissible contrary to human dignity implies the Church taught error. If the Church taught error then its claim to teaching authority is meaningless. A church in moral error cannot claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit because the notion that God would allow the "One True Church" to endorse evil for centuries only to be corrected now under Francis is absurd.

 

[Revoltingest]

No death penalty…period.

 

[England my lionheart]

Except the problem that is the existence of the death penalty itself.

The death penalty is only a problem if there is the slightest doubt,in this case there isn’t any doubt at all.

There was no problem with shooting down Bin Laden in cold blood or the assassinations carried out with drone strikes that included innocent civilians,they were a threat yes but so was this murderer,indeed anyone carrying a weapon such as an AR15 I would see as a threat,it seems that some people would rather the murderer be kept in cruel captivity for the rest of his life rather than a quick death.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Taxes will pay to feed, house, provide entertainment(TV, basketball, weights, etc), medical and dental for the rest of his life.

Thanks for making your priorities clear.

 

[pearl]

So if it’s crueler to give a life sentence without parole it must be kinder to put the murderer out of their misery?.

I would think it was. Did he deserve the death penalty, yes of course. But life in prison does give him the chance to come to terms with what he has done and maybe contrition.

 

[England my lionheart]

I would think it was. Did he deserve the death penalty, yes of course. But life in prison does give him the chance to come to terms with what he has done and maybe contrition.

He will have plenty of time to dwell on it for sure.

 

[pearl]

A prudential judgment against the modern application of the death penalty is well and good. The claim that the death penalty is in itself inadmissible contrary to human dignity implies the Church taught error. If the Church taught error then its claim to teaching authority is meaningless. A church in moral error cannot claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit because the notion that God would allow the "One True Church" to endorse evil for centuries only to be corrected now under Francis is absurd.

The Church does not stagnate in its teachings but progresses with new insights into other possibilities for the times. There are now ways to protect society from criminals without killing them that were not present in the past. Many states now do not allow for the death penalty as they did once.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Most psychopaths are CEOs or politicians.

Are you truly comfortable making such thoughtless comments? I find it to be a little sick and a lot irresponsible.

 

[Heyo]

Are you truly comfortable making such thoughtless comments? I find it to be a little sick and a lot irresponsible.

Most psychopaths are CEOs or politicians at DuckDuckGo

Not thoughtless, just better informed.

 

[Heyo]

The death penalty is only a problem if there is the slightest doubt,in this case there isn’t any doubt at all.

The death penalty is only seen as a problem by people with a conscience and a moral code.

There was no problem with shooting down Bin Laden in cold blood or the assassinations carried out with drone strikes that included innocent civilians,they were a threat yes but so was this murderer,indeed anyone carrying a weapon such as an AR15 I would see as a threat,it seems that some people would rather the murderer be kept in cruel captivity for the rest of his life rather than a quick death.

There were multiple problems with the murder of Bin Laden and with drone strikes. Not the smallest of them US imperialism.