Pascal's Wager. Dawkins with God.

[questfortruth]

Abstract:
An unbeliever is more likely to go to hell than someone who belongs to any religion or belief.

Proof:
The probability that a believer will go to hell is: P %.
That means that if you put in a bag 100 balls (blue ones are 1-P and red ones are P),
and take out one ball, then the chances that it is red is P.

The probability that a believer will go to heaven is: S %.
The probability that a believer will go to oblivion is: К %.
In total: P+S+К = 100%. Therefore, P+S = 100 - K, hence
P < 100 - K.

The probability that an unbeliever will go to hell is: Y %.
The probability that an unbeliever will go to heaven is zero % (God is with principles).
The probability that an unbeliever will go to oblivion is:
К % (the same value as for a believer). In total: Y+К = 100%.
Then Y = 100 - K > P. We get, Y > P. Latter means that the probability that an
unbeliever will go to hell is greater than that of a believer. From a mathematical
point of view, it does not matter what kind of good deeds, beliefs, achievements,
or character someone has. If you are a believer, you are closer to Heaven than
any unbelievers.

 

[Revoltingest]

Abstract:
An unbeliever is more likely to go to hell than someone who belongs to any religion or belief.

Proof:
The probability that a believer will go to hell is: P %.
The probability that a believer will go to heaven is: S %.
The probability that a believer will go to oblivion is: К %.
In total: P+S+К = 100%. Therefore, P+S = 100 - K, hence
P < 100 - K.

Math, especially probability, is
really taking a beating on RF today.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Math, especially probability, is
really taking a beating on RF today.

So you don't think that mentioning math makes those who use it, as the OP did, appear to be extremely smart and knowledgeable about the biblical God? Me neither.

 

[questfortruth]

Math, especially probability, is
really taking a beating on RF today.

I am math genius, look: Elementary Proofs of the Riemann Hypothesis

So you don't think that mentioning math makes those who use it, as the OP did, appear to be extremely smart and knowledgeable about the biblical God? Me neither.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you don't think that mentioning math makes those who use it, as the OP did, appear to be extremely smart and knowledgeable about the biblical God? Me neither.

The OP uses the language of math,
but not the substance of it, eg, ignoring
the consequences of various value
assumptions of his parameters.

And that doesn't even address justifying
the values that would be assigned, which
dwells in religion rather than math.

 

[questfortruth]

Math, especially probability, is
really taking a beating on RF today.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am math genius, look:

Reminds me of....

 

[Frank Buffalo]

My memory of Pascal's wager is this: 1) If you don't believe in a god, and there really isn't one, then you haven't lost anything; 2) If you believe in a god, and there really isn't one, then at least you have the satisfaction of a good life and hope for a good afterlife; 3) If you don't believe in a god, but there really is one, you're screwed.

The classic response to this wager is to ask what is the nature of this god, if it does exist? What can really be known apart from a bunch of religious texts that claim to provide answers to this question? What if the religious texts conflict in their descriptions of this god? What if the religious texts portray a vicious, jealous, amoral god, who punishes people severely for disobedience/disrespect? Is it better not to know such a god?

And who the hell knows what is heaven or hell?

 

[questfortruth]

And that doesn't even address justifying
the values

What is probability? For example, "The probability that a believer will go to hell is: P %." That means that if you put in a bag 100 balls (blue ones are 1-P and red ones are P), and take out one ball, then the chances that it is red is P.

 

[Revoltingest]

What is probability? For example, "The probability that a believer will go to hell is: P %." That means that if you put in a bag 100 balls (blue ones are 1-P and red ones are P), and take out one ball, then the chances that it is red is P.

Try setting each parameter at its min (0)
& max (1) possible probability value.
See if your conclusion is the same for
all cases.

Now.....we need you to weigh in on this
thread with your math expertise...

Women, math, and the Monty Hall problem

Also, there is never a consequences of the 1 of 3 door option. So it is simply an irrelevant bit of theater. What do you mean? The consequences are: if you choose the right door, you get a fabulous sexy car, and if you choose wrong you get a stupid goat that you don't want.

www.religiousforums.com

 

[questfortruth]

Now.....we need you to weigh in on this
thread with your math expertise...

In Monty Hall problem probability has been changed in time because a process has gone: door opening.

 

[Revoltingest]

In Monty Hall problem probability has been changed in time because a process has gone: door opening.

What does that mean in plain English?
Visit the thread, eh.

 

[questfortruth]

What does that mean in plain English?
Visit the thread, eh.

Probabilities in probability theory are functions of time. Because of processes going.

 

[Revoltingest]

My memory of Pascal's wager is this: 1) If you don't believe in a god, and there really isn't one, then you haven't lost anything; 2) If you believe in a god, and there really isn't one, then at least you have the satisfaction of a good life and hope for a good afterlife; 3) If you don't believe in a god, but there really is one, you're screwed.

This rests upon belief that the god would punish non-believers.
And it ignores other options, eg, belief in the wrong god leads
to punishment, belief in not all the gods leads to punishment,
belief in too many gods leads to punishment.

Pascal's wager is simplistic & stupid.
It's only use is to spark unproductive arguments.

 

[Revoltingest]

Probabilities in probability theory are functions of time. Because of processes going.

That doesn't show any math in the Monty Hall problem.
Let's see some of that genius analysis.

 

[Watchmen]

Abstract:
An unbeliever is more likely to go to hell than someone who belongs to any religion or belief.

Proof:
The probability that a believer will go to hell is: P %.
That means that if you put in a bag 100 balls (blue ones are 1-P and red ones are P),
and take out one ball, then the chances that it is red is P.

The probability that a believer will go to heaven is: S %.
The probability that a believer will go to oblivion is: К %.
In total: P+S+К = 100%. Therefore, P+S = 100 - K, hence
P < 100 - K.

The probability that an unbeliever will go to hell is: Y %.
The probability that an unbeliever will go to heaven is zero % (God is with principles).
The probability that an unbeliever will go to oblivion is:
К % (the same value as for a believer). In total: Y+К = 100%.
Then Y = 100 - K > P. We get, Y > P. Latter means that the probability that an
unbeliever will go to hell is greater than that of a believer. From a mathematical
point of view, it does not matter what kind of good deeds, beliefs, achievements,
or character someone has. If you are a believer, you are closer to Heaven than
any unbelievers.

Do you have any math that evidences there’s a heaven or hell in the first place?

Didn’t think so.

 

[ChristineM]

Abstract:
An unbeliever is more likely to go to hell than someone who belongs to any religion or belief.

Proof:
The probability that a believer will go to hell is: P %.
That means that if you put in a bag 100 balls (blue ones are 1-P and red ones are P),
and take out one ball, then the chances that it is red is P.

The probability that a believer will go to heaven is: S %.
The probability that a believer will go to oblivion is: К %.
In total: P+S+К = 100%. Therefore, P+S = 100 - K, hence
P < 100 - K.

The probability that an unbeliever will go to hell is: Y %.
The probability that an unbeliever will go to heaven is zero % (God is with principles).
The probability that an unbeliever will go to oblivion is:
К % (the same value as for a believer). In total: Y+К = 100%.
Then Y = 100 - K > P. We get, Y > P. Latter means that the probability that an
unbeliever will go to hell is greater than that of a believer. From a mathematical
point of view, it does not matter what kind of good deeds, beliefs, achievements,
or character someone has. If you are a believer, you are closer to Heaven than
any unbelievers.

This of course may possibly make some sense if a hell exists. Do you have proof a hell exists to drop into your proof compared with the "proof" if a hell doesn't exist is dropped into the workings .
And please you may work your proof with and without a heaven existing

 

[questfortruth]

The classic response to this wager is to ask

To cite my post, "The probability that a believer will go to oblivion is: К %."
Atheists wrongly assume that K is 100 %. In such case Atheism is looking better than Theism, because Theism is life of efforts.

 

[questfortruth]

Do you have any math that evidences there’s a heaven or hell in the first place?

Any thing takes space. So, any thing curves the space. So, even if all interactions are switched off, the gravity is there. So, even God acts through gravity on our Universe. It is Dark Energy. The Paradise lefts impact on our Universe too, it is Dark Matter. Dark Energy and Dark Matter are terms from Wikipedia.

 

[questfortruth]

This of course may possibly make some sense if a hell exists. Do you have proof a hell exists

If there is no hell, there is no bottom of hell. That is it: hell has no bottom. My favorite song: