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Paul considered himself a Pharisee, a Hebrew of Hebrews sent out by the High Priest, a man he honored, to destroy the church Jesus had established and bring people back into support of the Hebrew Mosaic laws. So Paul was intent on making Gentiles "grafted in Jews". Paul insists that only one race of people are chosen by God while Jesus taught all races are equal none higher than another. Paul said Jesus served Abraham as a High Priest in the temple making sacrifices in honor of Abraham returning from killing kings. That is a Lie as Jesus taught against blood sacrifices and Jesus said he will never be found in a secret chamber.I think he considered himself a Christian, but also saw a need or maybe wanted to modernize it, he wanted the message/religion to spread beyond Israel and to include more people. And I think he realized that it was not going to work unless some of the laws were changed, especially the circumcision one, he was not going to convince the heathens/gentiles of this and therefore needed an exception to the rule. So my guess is that in order to do this, the "covenant" that circumcision symbolize also needed to change, so it focused on Jesus more than God, and therefore you could be saved by simply accepting Jesus.
I also think this eventually started the split between Christianity and Judaism, as the law suddenly weren't all that important. Which Peter (I think) didn't agree with as that is not what the OT say either, so over time as we know the religions grew apart. But I think in the beginning before all this, they all considered themselves Jews, but some didn't agree with Jesus being the Messiah and some did.
(Obviously just me guessing )
Also, it is surprising how many people think Luke is an Apostle when he is not. Luke is educated and seeks truth but did not know Jesus personally and seeks to know about him. Luke writes what he is told by all people that claim they know Jesus. Luke is like an honest newspaper reporter that was not present at an event but gathers information to share about what happened by people that say they were there. Luke does not know if what he is told is true or not, he just accurately writes what he is told happened.Paul is not the writer of Luke.
It was Luke who said that Paul "met" Jesus, and received a commission from him.
In fact, Luke is the one who provided the information on how the apostles were skeptical about Paul's conversion.
He is the same historian that informed us of Peter's - an apostle - activity, after Jesus' ascension,, as well as the formation, and progress of the Christian congregation.
Paul is a trained religious shyster making a profession out of taking money from people by lying about God but calls his lies "glorifying " God and wonders why theYou wouldn't know about the fruits of the Spirit as in Galatians 5:22-23 without Paul. He also spoke of a crown of righteousness. (2 Tim 4:8) I think we can safely admit he was the real deal.
Paul claimed that his, and Peter's apostleship, came from God:
Galatians 2 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles.
Paul's style of writing is that he often sets up arguments and refutes them himself so that people know what he believes and why. He's making a point.Paul is a trained religious shyster making a profession out of taking money from people by lying about God but calls his lies "glorifying " God and wonders why the
true Apostles/disciples call Paul a "sinner" for it.
Romans 3:7
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?"
Paul's attitude is his lying is getting people to believe a God exists so it does not matter if he lies about God bringing people into Paul's church with guile which means lies and deceit.
The Command of God is not to lie but Paul does not care about truth, Paul cares about tithes and self exaltation. Paul prays with pretense and brags about himself but then said it is not bragging. Paul is a Benjamin wolf in sheeps' clothing scattering the sheep which was Paul's intent from the beginning of his lie that he is an Apostle.
No one is better at double talk than Paul. He will say something then deny what be said is true. Paul curses everyone that will not believe his gospel but then tells people not to curse making himself as he is being evil appear as if he is righteous. Paul cursed the Angel that told Mary she will have a virgin birth because Paul's gospel is Jesus is a bloodline son of Abraham/David/ Joseph. Jesus is not the son of those men but Paul said Jesus is their son. Paul never said Jesus had a virgin birth because Paul does not believe it. Paul refused to even mention the name of Mary or John the Baptist. Paul knows Jesus has more respect for John than for Paul.Paul's style of writing is that he often sets up arguments and refutes them himself so that people know what he believes and why. He's making a point.
In context; Paul is arguing against those who believe they can lie for God or do any sin for God. He is saying that God will still take vengeance on them. So you should be more careful how you're quoting Paul.
Romans 3:5-9
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Do you know what the "Foolishness" of God is?Paul is so disrespectful of God that Paul tells people that God has "weakness and foolishness" only not as bad as man has.
1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
The Biblical God does take vengeance as many scriptures prove. It's an important part of the gospel message. Without it there is no need to repent. Just let people live however they want because God will not punish them.GOD takes no vengeance, ever.
Paul doesn't have to say everything he believes. Paul liked to deliver new revelations and new ideas in his epistles. Not just repeat what was already well known to all Christians. But we know from his close friends that they believed in the virgin birth; so of course Paul did too.Paul cursed the Angel that told Mary she will have a virgin birth because Paul's gospel is Jesus is a bloodline son of Abraham/David/ Joseph. Jesus is not the son of those men but Paul said Jesus is their son. Paul never said Jesus had a virgin birth because Paul does not believe it. Paul refused to even mention the name of Mary or John the Baptist. Paul knows Jesus has more respect for John than for Paul.
1 Only Paul and his followers preach Christ crucified to remove sins. The true church does not because they learned Jesus does not want sacrifice.Do you know what the "Foolishness" of God is?
It's his messengers. It's his preachers and teachers. In fact Paul is talking about himself in context. He's humbly referring to himself as the "foolishness" of God. As in the foolish instrument that God has chosen to bring the gospel. If you really think God has any foolishness that's a silly idea. Of course not.
1 Corinthians 1:23-27
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
So far from being disrespectful to God; Paul is humbly admitting he is foolish and yet still chosen by God.
Note in Genesis 2/4 is where the fake Lord God the Jews invented invents everything already created (by the real God in chapter 1), in just a day. It took a day to dream up that fable of Adam and Eve and the talking serpent to lay the foundation of a religion that will exalt Abraham, the father of that lie as chosen of the God Abraham invents to exalt himself to a throne of rule as Lord. The fictional God he invented needed to be as angry and powerful with vengeance as the other pagan Gods to inspire Abraham's army to fight for him. Even though they claimed only their Lord God had power, going against another tribe of warriors they refused to fight once they found out that pagan leader had sacrificed his child to his fake God to win the battle. They had no faith in the "Lord God" they claimed chose only them and believed the magic of a child sacrifice made to a pagan God was more powerful than their Lord God to protect them. They were LOST with the wrong God, false worship and false beliefs.The Biblical God does take vengeance as many scriptures prove. It's an important part of the gospel message. Without it there is no need to repent. Just let people live however they want because God will not punish them.
'Paul doesn't have to say everything he believes. Paul liked to deliver new revelations and new ideas in his epistles. Not just repeat what was already well known to all Christians. But we know from his close friends that they believed in the virgin birth; so of course Paul did too.
Luke was the good friend of Paul. Luke talks about Mary more than any other gospel and he talks about the virgin birth more than the other gospels do. So you're just wrong. If Paul had not believed the virgin birth then Luke would not have followed him and would not have liked him if he had denied the virgin birth.
That doesn't mean Paul's ideas are wrong either. Paul says Jesus is the Son of God by resurrection and that is true. However that doesn't mean Jesus wasn't also the Son of God by virgin birth. Both revelations are important to understand and receive. Paul never denies the virgin birth even once.
In Romans 1:3 he says Jesus was made the seed of David according to the flesh and that is true.
Jesus was fully human of the seed of Abraham and David by Mary his mother. Indeed he is the "seed of the woman" that was prophesied to bruise the serpents head.
NO, because Jesus is male and David is NOT God. The issue is male gender as only a MAN has the right to the Davidic throne according to the covenant the Jews believe is true.Paul doesn't have to say everything he believes. Paul liked to deliver new revelations and new ideas in his epistles. Not just repeat what was already well known to all Christians. But we know from his close friends that they believed in the virgin birth; so of course Paul did too.
Luke was the good friend of Paul. Luke talks about Mary more than any other gospel and he talks about the virgin birth more than the other gospels do. So you're just wrong. If Paul had not believed the virgin birth then Luke would not have followed him and would not have liked him if he had denied the virgin birth.
That doesn't mean Paul's ideas are wrong either. Paul says Jesus is the Son of God by resurrection and that is true. However that doesn't mean Jesus wasn't also the Son of God by virgin birth. Both revelations are important to understand and receive. Paul never denies the virgin birth even once.
In Romans 1:3 he says Jesus was made the seed of David according to the flesh and that is true.
Jesus was fully human of the seed of Abraham and David by Mary his mother. Indeed he is the "seed of the woman" that was prophesied to bruise the serpents head.
Jesus never appointed Paul his apostle, please. Right?Paul was the only apostle to have written anything down. Paul's epistles are the oldest known Christian writings we have, they predate the gospels, which are works of fiction and possibly based at least in part on Paul's apostleship.
Saul never knew Jesus when he was in the flesh. Saul had a conversion experience and became a minister carrying a version of the Gospel as he understood it.Paul - An Apostle?
of whom, please?
(Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah never appointed the Hellenist-Paul, one gets to know, please. Right?
If yes, then kindly quote from Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in this connection, please. Right?
Regards
" Jesus when he was in the flesh "Saul never knew Jesus when he was in the flesh. Saul had a conversion experience and became a minister carrying a version of the Gospel as he understood it.
Yes.Was Paul really a true Christian
Saul/Paul followed some Hellenist Christ and in this sense he might have been a "Christian" but (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah was never a "Christian" and Paul never followed him and or his teachings for sure, I understand, please. Right?Yes.