Paul and Jesus

[fallingblood]

Reason is based on logic, faith is not.

Reason is subject to refutation only on its basis--logic, while Biblical faith is subject to refutation only on its basis, the Word of God written.

Faith is blind. You've shown this.

And it's fine that you are, but using blind faith, without reason, in a debate simply does not work. Maybe your time would be better spent talking to your minister, so you can agree with someone.

Try
Why did the sky DARKEN when Jesus died>>? - Yahoo! Answers

That source is laughable at best. Maybe finding some scholarly opinions. Or something at least a little credible.

 

[waitasec]

Reason is based on logic, faith is not.

exactly...

i'll use this as an example, did it already in another thread but i think this will explain my stance for this particular subject...

mother theresa perpetuated the problem by calling birth control a form of abortion...
reason would say, lets educate and teach these poor people how to use contraceptives and lower the birth rate
faith would call birth control evil

 

[smokydot]

exactly...

i'll use this as an example, did it already in another thread but i think this will explain my stance for this particular subject...

Why do you say faith would call birth control evil?

 

[waitasec]

Why do you say faith would call birth control evil?

do you think what mother theresa did was humane?
she perpetuated the high birth rate in a society that was sick, miserable and poor.
mother theresa's faith said birth control was evil because it was a form of abortion.
reason would say birth control would be a necessity to lessen the amount of people subjected to this miserable state.
have you ever held a child dying from sickness or starvation in your arms?
what is the purpose for having this innocent child go thru such misery?

 

[smokydot]

do you think what mother theresa did was humane?
she perpetuated the high birth rate in a society that was sick, miserable and poor.
mother theresa's faith said birth control was evil because it was a form of abortion.
reason would say birth control would be a necessity to lessen the amount of people subjected to this miserable state.

So you're talking about one particular person's belief.
That doesn't indict all believers.

have you ever held a child dying from sickness or starvation in your arms?
what is the purpose for having this innocent child go thru such misery?

Is lack of birth control the only reason "innocent child(ren) go thru such misery?"

We can't blame it all on one person's belief.
Removing all "Illogical" faith from the earth would not remove the misery.

 

[smokydot]

I've presented a complete refutation. I made a separate thread to even refute your idea of the crucifixion.
Trust me, I don't want you to continue repeating the same old stuff over and over again. I've already refuted it, and simply don't want to again. But please, if you want to show me wrong, go to my other thread about the crucifixion of Jesus and show me.
I've already refuted enough here. I haven't seen a counter argument from you though.

You haven't refuted it for two reasons:
1) You don't even understand the issue with nomenclature, which is why you can't even recognize a counter argument.
2) And you don't know the Scriptures well enough to refute it, even if you did understand the issue of nomenclaure.

Go and learn the Scriptures--Mk 12:24, Mt 9:13.

instead of saying go to this post or that post. That is why I put the entire argument in another thread.
Again, with the belittling remarks. But I guess that works for you, as you can't actually debate. If you represent Christians, I'm glad I'm not one.

You prefer the drama.

 

[waitasec]

So you're talking about one particular person's belief.
That doesn't indict all believers.
Is lack of birth control the only reason "innocent child(ren) go thru such misery?"

she isn't the only person who held (holds) this belief. the pope endorses this view.

no. this is not 1 persons faith, this was mother theresa, someone who was an extreme fundamentalist who affected and influenced thousands, if not millions of people.

We can't blame it all on one person's belief.
Removing all "Illogical" faith from the earth would not remove the misery.

removing illogical faith would be a step in the right direction. however, i said it adds to the misery. there is a difference.
this is the heart of the matter.
it seems as thought the christian faith is all about perpetuating misery because god has purpose for it. especially for those who are subjected to social status.
same sex marriages, for example. where is the faith? there is none. all i see is a hunger for control over peoples inalienable rights

 

[fallingblood]

You haven't refuted it for two reasons:
1) You don't even understand the issue with nomenclature, which is why you can't even recognize a counter argument.

What are you talking about? Not a very good dodge on your part.

2) And you don't know the Scriptures well enough to refute it, even if you did understand the issue of nomenclaure.

You keep saying this but haven't shown it. All I see from you are excuses. I guess if you can't actually argue your points, that is the next best thing.

Go and learn the Scriptures--Mk 12:24, Mt 9:13.
You prefer the drama.

Maybe instead of insulting me, you may want to refute what I've said. Here: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/107862-what-day-jesus-crucified.html

 

[smokydot]

What are you talking about? Not a very good dodge on your part.
You keep saying this but haven't shown it. All I see from you are excuses. I guess if you can't actually argue your points, that is the next best thing.
Maybe instead of insulting me, you may want to refute what I've said. Here: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/107862-what-day-jesus-crucified.html

This argument is closed until your refutation.

 

[fallingblood]

This argument is closed until your refutation.

Here is my refutation: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/107862-what-day-jesus-crucified.html I've posted it for you multiple times. It explains my entire argument, and how your argument simply doesn't work. Maybe you want to finally address it now.