Paul on Women, Sex and Dress

[BummerBeavis]

I guess I need to be more blunt.

I am not wiccan, or part of any other group that utilizes magic.

So again - what made you ask that?

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your avatar and using circle analogy

 

[Ingledsva]

your avatar and using circle analogy

My face makes you think I'm into Wicca? Very strange!

What circle analogy are you referring to?


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[Robert.Evans]

MY, MY, MY! Misogynist aren't we!

MY MY MY! Misandrist are we! haha

Feminists? We are discussing Biblical works, and related exegeses. Which has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with FEMINISTS!

I was answering your comments.... not thatI recall what they were...nor care.

Adam and Eve is a fable. LOL! A Woman did not bring down mankind. LOL!

Adam and Chavvah were two people on a land.
The REAL Adam and Chavvah are above within higher-consicousness. We are within the feminine Chavvah, the Image. So it is not a fable, you just misunderstand, again.

Also, the Bible does NOT say a male was first, then a female. It says the Elohiym created THEM in THEIR image, male and female. The second text, added in, also, does not say a male is first. In the Hebrew it says the joined pair was separated so they could reproduce.

''Them'' is plural, as in many. Adam was the first man, even the Gnostics say this. The feminine Chavvah was part of him, so they were one, until that is they were separated.
They were separated as it was not good being alone. Procriation was with the serpent at first and therefore adultery.

You need to read a little closer. I WAS referring to the Bible texts about women Pastors and Disciples, - when I said MISSED TEXTS. (texts they missed when editing and tossing books they didn't like.)

And I said it is mentioned in the bible. There is a reason why it happened that way, though involved to explain. As for other missing books, they had to make the judgement call they did at the time with the info they had to hand. You gripe I think because they are male... Didums!

As to war - it is hilarious when men start saying - so go to war - when it is MEN and Patriarchy keeping women out of wars! LOL! They do not want women to become warriors again - and tumble the patriarchal order!

Haha... really. You can go if you want! Go come back with no legs. We can stop home with our feet on the coffee table thanks. How many women were warriors? Hardly any compared with men. And anyway, women should be trying to stop men from fighting not joining in!

As to that - Paul was chosen - BULL! Re-read this whole thread! All you have is one text saying he had a vision. Very convenient for someone persecuting Christians. Claim a vision - and take the new religion down a different path.
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What does farm animals have to with it? Oh, I see, you are being offensive. What a surprise! There is more than one text. Either way, if we dismiss that, then we dismiss the lot. But as it is the word of God, I see no reason why we should. Only blind ignorant people would claim such a thing, which I assume you are not.
There was a change in the law because there was a new high priest.
He was not persecuting people (Christians!?) after his conversion.

Why do you not like Paul then?

 

[Robert.Evans]

You will have to forgive me - for feeling a little humor with this one.

That is from Tanakh, - and Christians obviously are not following God's word from Tanakh. They do not follow all of the Laws for instance.

Isa 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. (The Jews are keeping their Tanakh alive.)
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1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

(The Awaited Messiah, not God!)

1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

This is a different Gospel - of Jesus and his followers.


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What point are you trying to make with words you don't appear to understand?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't believe that for a moment.

We have a patriarchal culture writing the Bible, and interpreting what the Bible says.

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As it should be. It is clear from your comments alone that it would be dangerous in the extreme for women to be doing it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

paul was a self proclaimed apostle who was rejected by the church and the apostles. he was a liar

Rubbish! Show the Text!

 

[Robert.Evans]

Why would I be into Wicca?

What gave you that impression?

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You only have one eye... haha

 

[Robert.Evans]

I agree.

I think he purposely took over to turn them, so they could be controlled.

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Took over what? to control who?
He had no control over the Yerushalaim Calling.
He followed the word of the lord.
They were under the Mashiyachs law then, not Mosheh's

 

[BummerBeavis]

Rubbish! Show the Text!

read the bible yourself

 

[Robert.Evans]

read the bible yourself

Just as I thought... sheer nonsense!

 

[BummerBeavis]

Just as I thought... sheer nonsense!

dude show me where Yeshua or the real apostles ever said he was one. you can't. also the church totally rejected him.

 

[Robert.Evans]

dude

haha.. right okay.

show me where Yeshua or the real apostles ever said he was one. you can't.

why does someone else have to say it? It is written!

also the church totally rejected him.

The Calling (Church) did not reject him, nor did the Church (CC) after.
I have no idea where you get these ideas from, or why.

 

[Ingledsva]

Took over what? to control who?
He had no control over the Yerushalaim Calling.
He followed the word of the lord.
They were under the Mashiyachs law then, not Mosheh's

BULL, The disciples were following what had been directly learned from Jesus' mouth.

Paul claims a vision, and tells us he DOES NOT take his teachings from the disciples, WHOM LEARNED FROM JESUS, and there are verses showing they were afraid of him, and others showing they did not approve what he was teaching.


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[Ingledsva]

You only have one eye... haha

You are very strange.

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[Ingledsva]

I don't believe that for a moment.
We have a patriarchal culture writing the Bible, and interpreting what the Bible says.

As it should be. It is clear from your comments alone that it would be dangerous in the extreme for women to be doing it.

BULL! Before the ONE God Hebrew took over, they had a God and Goddess, and the people said they were better off under that Goddess.

The ONE God Hebrew took over by hundreds or thousands of years of genocide, against their own people. They murdered those whom didn't want to change Gods, over-and-over-and-over! Read Kings.

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[Ingledsva]

MY MY MY! Misandrist are we! haha

ING - No - however your comments prove you are misogynist.

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I was answering your comments.... not thatI recall what they were...nor care.

ING - LOL! And Yet you answer.

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Adam and Chavvah were two people on a land.
The REAL Adam and Chavvah are above within higher-consicousness. We are within the feminine Chavvah, the Image. So it is not a fable, you just misunderstand, again.

ING - LOLOLOLO! You preach crap that isn't even in the Bible, and tell me I don't understand. LOL!

You know what the Bible says about adding or altering the word, - RIGHT?

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''Them'' is plural, as in many. Adam was the first man, even the Gnostics say this. The feminine Chavvah was part of him, so they were one, until that is they were separated.
They were separated as it was not good being alone. Procriation was with the serpent at first and therefore adultery.

ING - BULL! We know they originally had a God and Goddess - and that is the Elohiym - male and female, that male and female are made in the image of.

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You need to read a little closer. I WAS referring to the Bible texts about women Pastors and Disciples, - when I said MISSED TEXTS. (texts they missed when editing and tossing books they didn't like.)

And I said it is mentioned in the bible. There is a reason why it happened that way, though involved to explain. As for other missing books, they had to make the judgement call they did at the time with the info they had to hand. You gripe I think because they are male... Didums!

ING - LOL! Re-read! I said it was in the Bible. Men in a patriarchal culture chose what books would be in the Bible.

Funny how it leaves in, or adds in, Murder, slavery, rape of women, concubines, other sex slaves, control of women, etc.

In other words the things men want to do!!!! The Bible is not the word of God - but the word of men!

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Haha... really. You can go if you want! Go come back with no legs. We can stop home with our feet on the coffee table thanks. How many women were warriors? Hardly any compared with men. And anyway, women should be trying to stop men from fighting not joining in!

ING - You are being ridiculous. Lots of ancient women were warriors. Any history book can tell you this. Indeed no one should be going to war. However that wasn't the debate. Men have prevented women from going to war - since patriarchy.

1. They don't want female warriors. Danger to the patriarchal system.
2. They want broodmares safe at home, so they breed them and pump out more cannon fodder.

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What does farm animals have to with it? Oh, I see, you are being offensive. What a surprise!

ING - BULL! is just BULL!
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As to that - Paul was chosen - BULL! Re-read this whole thread! All you have is one text saying he had a vision. Very convenient for someone persecuting Christians. Claim a vision - and take the new religion down a different path.

There is more than one text.

ING - ONE original writes - the rest copy.
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Either way, if we dismiss that, then we dismiss the lot. But as it is the word of God, I see no reason why we should. Only blind ignorant people would claim such a thing, which I assume you are not.

ING - A lot of it needs to be dismissed.

It is NOT the word of God - it is the word of MAN.

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There was a change in the law because there was a new high priest.
He was not persecuting people (Christians!?) after his conversion.

Why do you not like Paul then?

Click his to expand.

Jesus says he didn't come to change the law. He was claiming to be the awaited Hebrew Messiah.

You do not know that Saul/Paul was actually converted. Sounds very bogus when he claims a vision, then does NOT teach what JESUS taught the disciples to preach - and then they end up with a lot of foreign religious ideas tacked in, - like Hell, for instance.


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[Simplelogic]

BULL! Before the ONE God Hebrew took over, they had a God and Goddess, and the people said they were better off under that Goddess.

The ONE God Hebrew took over by hundreds or thousands of years of genocide, against their own people. They murdered those whom didn't want to change Gods, over-and-over-and-over! Read Kings.

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Not so. You dismiss the presence of the nephelim who destroyed man and warranted YHVH's brutal military campaigns. It will happen again too.

 

[Ingledsva]

You will have to forgive me - for feeling a little humor with this one.

That is from Tanakh, - and Christians obviously are not following God's word from Tanakh. They do not follow all of the Laws for instance.

Isa 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. (The Jews are keeping their Tanakh alive.)
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1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

(The Awaited Messiah, not God!)

1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

This is a different Gospel - of Jesus and his followers.

What point are you trying to make with words you don't appear to understand?

LOL! YOU obviously don't understand!

It there are texts that are not preserved that add critical things to our understanding, then our whole faith is misplaced because Isa 40:8 and 1 Pe 1:25 have just been debunked.

He chose a Tanakh text and a NT text dealing with the law.

The humor is that Christianity obviously CHANGED and does not follow the Laws, of Tanakh.

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[BummerBeavis]

haha.. right okay.

why does someone else have to say it? It is written!

The Calling (Church) did not reject him, nor did the Church (CC) after.
I have no idea where you get these ideas from, or why.

reread your bible

 

[BummerBeavis]

haha.. right okay.

why does someone else have to say it? It is written!

The Calling (Church) did not reject him, nor did the Church (CC) after.
I have no idea where you get these ideas from, or why.

sir Paul was never called an apostle by Yeshua or his apostles. carefully look what paul the "wise master mason" taught in this respect and look what Yeshua and his apostles taught. Loose your bias and then compare.