Paul on Women, Sex and Dress

[Simplelogic]

Saul wrote acts.

Acts is Luke's accounts of Paul's journeys. I don't believe Paul wrote it. I do believe Paul had Luke severely duped by his chameleon act of being "a Jew to a Jew" and a "Greek to a Greek".

 

[BummerBeavis]

Saul wrote acts.

sorry Luke. still paul is not an apostle

 

[Simplelogic]

sir read your own bible and look for yourself. I am not here to do your work. Your self proclaimed apostle was never anything other than exactly that. You show me where Yeshua told us that he was going to secretly meet with Saul and teach him to be an apostle. You show me where Yeshua said I should accept Saul. You show me where the real apostles said Saul was an apostle. I will keep the 10 commandments and the testimony of Yeshua. If you reject the 10 commandments you do not know God. Am i to comprehend that you do not keep the 10?

Not sure why people act like the 10 commandments were separate from the rest of the commands. Yeshua taught many commands which were not part of the 10. Uh oh!

BTW. Paul declares that the Torah (including the 10) have been "nailed to the tree". He also calls it a law of "slavery" and a "tutor" of which there is no need for anymore. So I'm not even sure why you keep the 10 anyways. BTW…you don't keep the 10 unless you keep the Sabbath. Do you keep YHVH's Sabbath?

 

[Simplelogic]

Bummer….sorry for the post above…I got my messages mixed up. You obviously said that you keep the 10. However the first 2 sentences of that post still stand.

 

[BummerBeavis]

Not sure why people act like the 10 commandments were separate from the rest of the commands. Yeshua taught many commands which were not part of the 10. Uh oh!

BTW. Paul declares that the Torah (including the 10) have been "nailed to the tree". He also calls it a law of "slavery" and a "tutor" of which there is no need for anymore. So I'm not even sure why you keep the 10 anyways. BTW…you don't keep the 10 unless you keep the Sabbath. Do you keep YHVH's Sabbath?

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

 

[Simplelogic]

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Agreed. But my point was that the 10 commandments are not the whole point. After all "loving God" and "loving our neighbors" is not part of the 10! My point is that the Torah is the point. Yes, the 10 should have precedence but man should strive to keep as many commandments that can logically be kept.

 

[BummerBeavis]

Agreed. But my point was that the 10 commandments are not the whole point. After all "loving God" and "loving our neighbors" is not part of the 10! My point is that the Torah is the point. Yes, the 10 should have precedence but man should strive to keep as many commandments that can logically be kept.

sin is breaking the 10 repentance is keeping them. no repentance=no salvation

 

[Simplelogic]

sin is breaking the 10 repentance is keeping them. no repentance=no salvation

Once again. Loving God with all our heart is not part of the 10. Neither is loving our neighbor. Why do you limit things to just the 10? How have you come to this conclusion?

 

[BummerBeavis]

Once again. Loving God with all our heart is not part of the 10. Neither is loving our neighbor. Why do you limit things to just the 10? How have you come to this conclusion?

really the 10 command you to respect God and to do right to your fellow man. the 10 is love. it is also the measure of sin and it is called repenting by turning away from lawlessness to God.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Your right. There is no need to make it into anything. Thats not what I am doing. King Og of Bashan had a steel bed that was over 15 ft long. The Hebrews talk about confronting literal giants which have been confirmed by archeological discoveries. There is a human femur bone which was found around the Euphrates which belongs to a man over 15 feet tall. There are numerous discoveries like this.

Also, the book of Enoch talks about these beings in great detail. Enoch is quoted by Jude (Yeshua's brother).

Okay, I do not mean that there may not have been tall people, who we might see as giants, but that is no different than being a tyrant. You are a tyrant because you can be! There always people who are tall. As for that tall, I don't know, nor rightly care. It matters not how tall they were. They were bullies, that's what counts, not some half man half angel thing

 

[Robert.Evans]

Your right. There is no need to make it into anything. Thats not what I am doing. King Og of Bashan had a steel bed that was over 15 ft long. The Hebrews talk about confronting literal giants which have been confirmed by archeological discoveries. There is a human femur bone which was found around the Euphrates which belongs to a man over 15 feet tall. There are numerous discoveries like this.

Also, the book of Enoch talks about these beings in great detail. Enoch is quoted by Jude (Yeshua's brother).

I have not read it, , but as a matter of interest I thought I would paste it:

Pseudoscience: Nephalim - Giants in Old Testament Genesis

 

[Robert.Evans]

sir read your own bible and look for yourself.

I have. I was rather thinking that perhaps you hadn't

I am not here to do your work.

I am not asking you to. You stated something, I am asking you to back up your remarks with references which you have not got. That makes me think you haven't got any

Your self proclaimed apostle was never anything other than exactly that. You show me where Yeshua told us that he was going to secretly meet with Saul and teach him to be an apostle. You show me where Yeshua said I should accept Saul. You show me where the real apostles said Saul was an apostle. I will keep the 10 commandments and the testimony of Yeshua. If you reject the 10 commandments you do not know God. Am i to comprehend that you do not keep the 10?

The 10 Words? Which ones?

The word of God says he is an apostle in Romans 1.
1 Cor 2 says he had a demonstration of power... something that accompanied apostels.
Now if you say that is through S-tan, why would the apostles at Yerushalaim accept him, WHICH THEY DID!
Acts 15.4 ''when they came to Yerushalaim they were WELCOMED by the calling and APOSTLES and elders.

Some Jews tried to kill Paul. Who killed Jesus?

At the council in Acts 15, they spoke with Paul, they listened to him, they gave him advice. They DID NOT SAY keep the Mosaic law/ Rather they gave him a watered down version. This was from James the leader and Petros (Peter).

In Galatians 2 they gave him the RIGHT HAND OF FELLOWSHIP.

He sent money to Yerushalaim. Does any of that sound as though he was classed as a liar or a fraud? There is the evidence. Where your is I don't know I'm sure.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Saul wrote acts.

Certainly the first part of Acts was written my Luke. Check the beginning of Luke's gospel. He went with Paul sometimes also.

 

[Robert.Evans]

sorry Luke. still paul is not an apostle

So now you are saying that Luke is a fraud as well!

 

[Robert.Evans]

Not sure why people act like the 10 commandments were separate from the rest of the commands. Yeshua taught many commands which were not part of the 10. Uh oh!

BTW. Paul declares that the Torah (including the 10) have been "nailed to the tree". He also calls it a law of "slavery" and a "tutor" of which there is no need for anymore. So I'm not even sure why you keep the 10 anyways. BTW…you don't keep the 10 unless you keep the Sabbath. Do you keep YHVH's Sabbath?

You also don't keep it if you covet. Do you covet?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Bummer….sorry for the post above…I got my messages mixed up. You obviously said that you keep the 10. However the first 2 sentences of that post still stand.

Which ten? Ex 20 or Ex34?

 

[Robert.Evans]

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

He who does not love his brother does not belong to the lord..... what of that? Now you will say Paul, who was accepted in Acts 15 by the council at Yerushalaim is not your brother. You should think again.

And why just the 10.
What of the other laws?
Do you still sacrifice to a temple you can't get to and doesn't exist?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Agreed. But my point was that the 10 commandments are not the whole point. After all "loving God" and "loving our neighbors" is not part of the 10! My point is that the Torah is the point. Yes, the 10 should have precedence but man should strive to keep as many commandments that can logically be kept.

In other words you do not keep the law!

 

[Robert.Evans]

sin is breaking the 10 repentance is keeping them. no repentance=no salvation

To repent you must have done something wrong, therefore you are sinning and not keeping them!

 

[Simplelogic]

He who does not love his brother does not belong to the lord..... what of that? Now you will say Paul, who was accepted in Acts 15 by the council at Yerushalaim is not your brother. You should think again.

And why just the 10.
What of the other laws?
Do you still sacrifice to a temple you can't get to and doesn't exist?

There are feast celebrations throughout the years. Sexual cleanliness laws, agricultural laws, Kosher laws and laws concerning how we relate to one another. All of these laws are easy to keep and can be kept right now.

Sacrifices and Temple service laws will be in place again when Yeshua comes back. Yeshua said the whole Torah will be in force until "heaven and earth pass away".