Payment for the border wall

[esmith]

will steal our collective souls. It makes us no better than Communist Russia or the Khmer Rouge. Why would you want that stain on our history? We're a country built on immigration... illegal immigration at that. Why not embrace? We can obviously absorb them as we already have. Let's make them legal and put them to real work!

Well mainly because we are a country of laws. I support legal immigration, however there has to be a limit. . I also support a guest worker program. I also support the idea that if you are here illegally and commit a crime (something beyond jaywalking) that you serve your time and immediately deported. I see no possible way of deporting those illegals that are here now. However, I would insist that they come forward, pay a fine and go to the back of the line as far as obtaining citizenship. I would give them a 6 month grace period to submit their paperwork and pay the fine. Once the grace period ends and you do not comply you are deported.

 

[oldbadger]

No. Actually, the American people chose Clinton. The Electoral College chose Komrade Trumpsky.

So much for your democracy.
Sad

 

[james dixon]

Mexico President speaks about wall
a must see

 

[Revoltingest]

So much for your democracy.
Sad

It's always been our system, which is a republic.
It's only sad to those who lose.
Notice how the losers were OK with the EC before they lost?
It's still democratic...even though Democrats don't always win.

I'd advise them to stop crying about the rules & their loss,
& instead focus upon choosing a better candidate for 2020.
But we might be better off if they just wallow in their misery.

 

[oldbadger]

It's always been our system, which is a republic.
It's only sad to those who lose.
Notice how the losers were OK with the EC before they lost?
It's still democratic...even though Democrats don't always win.

I'd advise them to stop crying about the rules & their loss,
& instead focus upon choosing a better candidate for 2020.
But we might be better off if they just wallow in their misery.

The Democrats could not choose a better candidate than Former President Obama to run in 2020. I just hope that they could find one to hold a candle to that amazing statesman and diplomat's International reputation.

In Britain we would mostly be delighted if somehow Hal and Meg could invite him to their wedding, or open the new embassy, or anything.

 

[idav]

Notice how the losers were OK with the EC before they lost?

No I haven’t noticed such a thing. That’s short of calling people hypocrites. Losing the popular vote is not a win no matter what side your on. Sure people will no doubt take their “win” but it doesn’t make it more worthy. It’s like letting an obviously guilty person off over a dumb technicality, leaves a bad taste.

 

[james dixon]

I'd advise them to stop crying about the rules & their loss,
& instead focus upon choosing a better candidate for 2020.

You will not be waiting that long. Trump will be impeached before the end of this year.
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[Shadow Wolf]

Notice how the losers were OK with the EC before they lost?

A pretty good number of us have loathed since 2000, and had reason to have the hatred refueled 16 years later.

The Democrats could not choose a better candidate than Former President Obama to run in 2020.

Considering he can't run, anyone else would be better.

 

[oldbadger]

Considering he can't run, anyone else would be better.

I do understand. Fair enough.
I just think it's going to be tough to replace him with someone as good, imo.

 

[Revoltingest]

The Democrats could not choose a better candidate than Former President Obama to run in 2020. I just hope that they could find one to hold a candle to that amazing statesman and diplomat's International reputation.

In Britain we would mostly be delighted if somehow Hal and Meg could invite him to their wedding, or open the new embassy, or anything.

Obama cannot run for a 3rd term (fortunately).

 

[oldbadger]

Obama cannot run for a 3rd term (fortunately).

Sure. Which is why I mentioned that the Democrats will find it hard to hold a candle to such as he........ in their search for a replacement.

Giving Former President Obama a neutral score of 5/10, what score would you have given Presidential candidate Hilary Clinton?

 

[Revoltingest]

No I haven’t noticed such a thing. That’s short of calling people hypocrites.

Keen observation there....I did intend it to be short of calling'm that.
I think it's more that the problem just goes unnoticed when it isn't biting us.

Losing the popular vote is not a win no matter what side your on. Sure people will no doubt take their “win” but it doesn’t make it more worthy. It’s like letting an obviously guilty person off over a dumb technicality, leaves a bad taste.

I sympathize.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure. Which is why I mentioned that the Democrats will find it hard to hold a candle to such as he........ in their search for a replacement.

Giving Former President Obama a neutral score of 5/10, what score would you have given Presidential candidate Hilary Clinton?

Too hard to quantify.'
But I speculate that she'd not have been as good a Prez as Obama.

 

[oldbadger]

Too hard to quantify.'
But I speculate that she'd not have been as good a Prez as Obama.

There was a peak viewing time documentary on BBC telly last evening about Barack Obama's life from college through Harvard, to Chicago and on up to President.

He is probably one of the most respected people in the World. His career may not have reached it's zenith yet by any means.

President Trump is not and will not do quite so well. By World comparisons he's a loser, a thought that must irritate him somewhat.

 

[Revoltingest]

There was a peak viewing time documentary on BBC telly last evening about Barack Obama's life from college through Harvard, to Chicago and on up to President.

He is probably one of the most respected people in the World. His career may not have reached it's zenith yet by any means.

President Trump is not and will not do quite so well. By World comparisons he's a loser, a thought that must irritate him somewhat.

People love to gush over celebrities.
I don't find Obama to be unusually talented....except
at getting the eager masses to gush over him.

On Friday, I met a friend for lunch.
(We call it a "man date".)
He's an avowed socialist.
He worked hard to elect Hillary, even providing lodging for campaign staff.
But even though he's a fervent partisan who also finds Trump to be a boor,
he recognized that if one had other-side-of-the-aisle goals, Trump has been
successful.
See!
Not all liberals are blind to things outside the echo chamber.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

By World comparisons he's a loser, a thought that must irritate him somewhat.

To Trump, it's probably better to him that they are talking about him in a negative way than not talking about him at all.

 

[idav]

People love to gush over celebrities.
I don't find Obama to be unusually talented....except
at getting the eager masses to gush over him.

On Friday, I met a friend for lunch.
(We call it a "man date".)
He's an avowed socialist.
He worked hard to elect Hillary, even providing lodging for campaign staff.
But even though he's a fervent partisan who also finds Trump to be a boor,
he recognized that if one had other-side-of-the-aisle goals, Trump has been
successful.
See!
Not all liberals are blind to things outside the echo chamber.

I respect the majority US and majority worlds opinion, the world isn’t full of retards you know. Just cause you don’t care for Obama’s economic policies you seem to be on the liberals side otherwise so why so many one sided remarks?

 

[Revoltingest]

I respect the majority US and majority worlds opinion, the world isn’t full of retards you know. Just cause you don’t care for Obama’s economic policies you seem to be on the liberals side otherwise so why so many one sided remarks?

Things appear one sided when responding to a one sided post.

Btw, respecting the majority opinions is a very bad default.
They've favored things like slavery, wars, bashing gays,
theocracy, & over-priced extended warranties on crock pots.

 

[idav]

Things appear one sided when responding to a one sided post.

Btw, respecting the majority opinions is a very bad default.
They've favored things like slavery, wars, bashing gays,
theocracy, & over-priced extended warranties on crock pots.

Well quite frankly I respect all opinions but your remark was as if nobody knows better just following celebrity status which can be taken as an insult.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well quite frankly I respect all opinions but your remark was as if nobody knows better just following celebrity status which can be taken as an insult.

Obama's rise to power really was based upon a celebrity-like following.
He made an inspirational speech way back when, & he was catupaulted
into front runner for the presidency. He had little experience at anything
compared to prior presidents. But he was young, pretty, sonorous, &
erudite (when aided by a teleprompter). He was indeed the empty chair.

Now don't get me wrong......this criticism has been balanced by my
praise for his resisting calls to attack & invade Iran. This is a huge
accomplishment IMO...though it goes unnoticed because it was
something which did not happen. This is his greatest contribution
to our economic health. I hope Trump can do as well.
Leadership is sometimes best when it appears that nothing is done.