Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
I know that there won't be some sort of biblical apocalypse, that's for sure.I take it you don't know. It was obvious.
I didn't say I know.
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Peace & Security or Sudden Destruction?
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nPeace
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Well, why don't you say how you know? Or for sure you are only guessing.
I am wondering to which theocracy you are referring because there is more than one type.
I find the modern-day definition of theocracy is clergy rule or rule by clergy class. This is Not the theocracy of the Bible.
The biblical definition is that God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44 is a God-ruled or theocratic government.
That government is to be ruled or governed by Christ Jesus for one-thousand years over Earth.
That theocracy will bring ' healing ' to earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2 and Isaiah 35th chapter.
I find some people think when they hear about sudden destruction that is talking about destruction of Earth.
I find the ' sudden destruction ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is in reference to the 'powers that be' surprisingly turning on the religious world starting with Christendom because Christendom claims to follow the God of the Bible.
This is why judgement starts with the 'house of God' as mentioned at 1 Peter 4:17.
To me, I am sure that trouble-filled religion by now has placed itself on the United Nation's radar, so to speak.
The U.N. can see a hauntingly-dangerous religious climate brewing in today's religious world.
That has created an anti-religious atmosphere in feeling and attitudes toward the religious world.
With backing the U.N. can be strengthened to become God's ' arm of the law '.
In the past, God used the political/military as His 'arm of the law' as He did in the year 70 against un-faithful Jerusalem.
So, yes, there will be a biblical apocalypse to rid the Earth of the wicked for the wicked will 'be destroyed forever'.
Then, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
If 1 Thessalonians 5:3 doesn't mean what they say it means they're lying. And, liars will not inherit God's Kingdom. If they are lying about the meaning of God's Word whatever does happen to them will be a surprise.
nPeace
Veteran Member
So can we agree then, that you don't know?
So let me explain why I believe Sudden Destruction is imminent, and God's kingdom will rule the earth.
It has to do with strong evidence.
I mentioned two pieces of evidence, in the second part of the OP...
which has just been removed. So....
It's just spin...to justify war.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Oh. you mean justify national and neighborhood wars?
I'm not seeing how it relates to the OP, so I am missing the point really.
nPeace
Veteran Member
@Woberts As I was saying, The evidence that God's Kingdom will intervene in man's affairs is solid. See the part in the OP on that concrete evidence. There is more of course, but you would have to see it for yourself.
Think of this scenario.
Someone gives you a map with markings on it, from A to X - the X somehow appears bigger.
Each marking points to a precise location, indicating where you will find particular treasures.
You decide to go on the treasure hunt.
Starting at H, you search that location, and find valuable treasure. You can't believe your eyes.
I'm sure you will search location I, and if you find treasure there, you will follow through on J, etc.
At what point will you stop?
Would you not start to look at that X with more interest, and would you not feel sure that there will be treasure there? Might it not be the case that the size of the X may indicate to you that that location holds an even greater treasure?
Or will you say, "Nah. I doubt there is anything there." Is there reason to doubt?
This is why I believe Sudden Destruction is imminent, and God's kingdom will rule the earth. I am finding treasures in every location that has a mark on the map - the Bible.
So I am looking for the big X.
Think of this scenario.
Someone gives you a map with markings on it, from A to X - the X somehow appears bigger.
Each marking points to a precise location, indicating where you will find particular treasures.
You decide to go on the treasure hunt.
Starting at H, you search that location, and find valuable treasure. You can't believe your eyes.
I'm sure you will search location I, and if you find treasure there, you will follow through on J, etc.
At what point will you stop?
Would you not start to look at that X with more interest, and would you not feel sure that there will be treasure there? Might it not be the case that the size of the X may indicate to you that that location holds an even greater treasure?
Or will you say, "Nah. I doubt there is anything there." Is there reason to doubt?
This is why I believe Sudden Destruction is imminent, and God's kingdom will rule the earth. I am finding treasures in every location that has a mark on the map - the Bible.
So I am looking for the big X.
Illogical!@Woberts As I was saying, The evidence that God's Kingdom will intervene in man's affairs is solid. See the part in the OP on that concrete evidence. There is more of course, but you would have to see it for yourself.
Think of this scenario.
Someone gives you a map with markings on it, from A to X - the X somehow appears bigger.
Each marking points to a precise location, indicating where you will find particular treasures.
You decide to go on the treasure hunt.
Starting at H, you search that location, and find valuable treasure. You can't believe your eyes.
I'm sure you will search location I, and if you find treasure there, you will follow through on J, etc.
At what point will you stop?
Would you not start to look at that X with more interest, and would you not feel sure that there will be treasure there? Might it not be the case that the size of the X may indicate to you that that location holds an even greater treasure?
Or will you say, "Nah. I doubt there is anything there." Is there reason to doubt?
This is why I believe Sudden Destruction is imminent, and God's kingdom will rule the earth. I am finding treasures in every location that has a mark on the map - the Bible.
So I am looking for the big X.
There are two instances of αἰφνίδιος in scripture. Its meaning is "unaware". Please see Luke 21:34. Only those who EXPECT to be delivered into Paradise Earth can be said of them, "destruction caught them unaware".
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And a reminder to some that the apostles carried swords with them, typically around 1 & 1/2 to 2 feet long.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
This has been the JW mantra from their get-go with their basic predictions as to when that was supposedly going to happen, each of which turned out to be false, and each of which then being excused away by fabricated arguments.
nPeace
Veteran Member
For some reason, you seem to be introducing argument not related in any way to the OP, or the thread.
The topic is not about JWs.
I did mention them however, as one evidence that I believe Jehovah's Kingdom will rule the earth. As @URAVIP2ME did explain our view to a degree, what sudden destruction involves.
There is a lot more evidence, I could have mentioned, but I chose this, because it's more on a personal level.
However, I didn't create the thread to discuss JWs.
If you want to do that, it would be up to you.
If you want to address some point(s) in the OP, feel free. I have refined it, a bit.
Do you want to address the point about sudden destruction? Do you believe it is a future prophecy, or do you believe it has no relation to the nations in these times? Or...
We can discuss these views, if you like.
Love is an evolutionary adaptation. For instance, romantic love is a genetic consequence of our kids needing a long time to become independent. That requires long term stability. Therefore, “til death set us apart” is just how our brains are wired for biological reasons geared toward genes survival.
Is that the same with God?
Ciao
- viole
nPeace
Veteran Member
I told you, but apparently I don't understand your view of love, and it's not one I recognize. So perhaps you can explain, if you don't mind.
Okay, so according to you, "Love is an evolutionary adaptation".
Where did it come from? Why is it there? What is it?
What I mean is, why is it even needed or shown?
So your kid is wallowing around helpless. So what. Why does it need you? Why do you care?
I don't understand why Jehovah's Witnesses can interpret it "sudden" instead of "unaware". Unbelievers do not suffer destruction unaware. It is common knowledge that people die and that war can cause destruction. It is the JWs and others believing in God's deliverance who would be caught unaware if destruction came upon them because they believe God will save them. They are unaware that God is not a respecter of persons. Acts 10:34-35
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It is OK to say, "I don't know", but woe to those who make up stuff to appear righteous.
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
What are you talking about? It is historically obvious that the more religious the population of a society is, the more evil the society is (think about the burning of witches, Spanish Inquisition, and today radical fundamentalist Islam). Religiosity and evil are, as a rule, positively correlated. So, I don't know what will stop the evil in humanity, but I highly doubt it will be religion, and on historical evidence, it certainly won't be a return to fanatical Christianity.