Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

[Pegg]

Not true

well we are all from the same stock.. there is only one human race, unless you disagree with that.

 

[Pegg]

genesis was never correct with scientist, please provide a source for your ill though statement.

the bible has never been right about anything and people like yourself are blatantly dishonest due to a severe lack of education due to your closed mind, brainwashed by religion

you see...cognitive dissonance

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YouTube - How did the Universe begin? part 1

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

well we are all from the same stock.. there is only one human race, unless you disagree with that.

I was talking about different cultures had different stories.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I would very much like to know what people on this website think about peaceful coexistence between those who study our material world (scientists) and those who study our spiritual world (theologians). My attempt to write an essay on that subject failed, as you can see at:

Spirituality and science

The webpage was prepared to generate a debate/discussion

Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)

As respective disciplines, science and theistic religion remains incompatible and diametrically opposed by way of its methodology. Science examines existing facts and expands upon what is subsequently discovered and confirmed via testing and experimentation upon which conclusions and theories are made, of which are based on results, can be duplicated or repeatable through testing or verified observation. Theology on the other hand atypically starts with pre-assumed conclusions unlike science and subsequently seeks and fishes out the things that just happen to "fit" into those conclusions. Oftentimes this is done with little or no methodology being used akin to investigative processes found in science. Mostly, theology is based on speculative observation, and therefore because of this, cannot be regarded as being equal to one another in the most direct sense.

In a nutshell science is a methodology of which is the opposite of a belief system.

So no. The disciplines cannot co-exist equally at par.

 

[JustWondering2]

I found this interview with a Astronomer for the Vatican to be a very refreshing view of things and a model for all of us to think about. I can't say that I share all his views on religion, but I do share his view of fundamentalist, be it Christian or otherwise. I share his view that science as a whole explores the world around us in an attempt to understand how it was all made. In doing so we are learning/discovering how God did it and in that process of learning/discovering we should appreciate him even more.
OK nor sure if I said what I wanted too! Have a look. It's a good read! We should all (both sides) moderate our reterick at bit.

Interview with Brother Guy Consolmagno

 

[ninerbuff]

science goes too far sometimes, we all know that and we've all seen that. The problem with science is that it is not governed by morality or ethics

look at how they were patenting genes not so long ago, experimenting with diseases and drugs on unwilling human subjects...the ethics of doing so is just plain wrong and completely disregards human rights. For stem cell research they were using human embryos... they cant create a human life and then kill it in the name of research


science needs to be held accountable and that is where religion comes in

Again this is why they are mutually exclusive. Religion deems a lot to be unethical because of the belief in morals and ethics set in their own books, scriptures, etc. Science doesn't depend on what the religion views as impossible.

 

[David M]

well i hate to break it to you but the genesis account about a 'beginning' to the universe was correct while scientists, even right up until 50 odd years ago, believed in an eternal universe.

that is just one example of how the bible was right, but people like yourself refuse to acknowledge it... thats called cognitive dissonance ...ever heard of it?

So with a 50/50 chance the bible got it right that the universe had a beginning, considering that it didn't even get close to a description of what really occurred I'm not impressed.

 

[Pegg]

Again this is why they are mutually exclusive. Religion deems a lot to be unethical because of the belief in morals and ethics set in their own books, scriptures, etc. Science doesn't depend on what the religion views as impossible.

but that is exactly why science goes too far

look at how they experiment and use people like guinea pigs ... when they are not bound by some morals or ethics they abuse human rights

Scientists are not above the rest of us...we are not here to serve them.

 

[outhouse]

but that is exactly why science goes too far

look at how they experiment and use people like guinea pigs

without there research you would be dead right now.

 

[Pegg]

without there research you would be dead right now.

its not the point

the point is that without religion, science can and has acted unethically and contrary to human rights

its not a law unto itself...it needs to be regulated by some ethics

 

[outhouse]

its not the point

the point is that without religion, science can and has acted unethically and contrary to human rights

its not a law unto itself...it needs to be regulated by some ethics

it is regulated and religion has no part in that ,,,, thankfully

 

[Morpheus]

Question: what are the two of them trying to do?
Answer: Find the truth.

There is only one absolute (as opposed to relative) truth. And therefore science and religion will ultimately converge on that one truth. The are seeking it from diferent perspectives however. That is, they are looking for it from different angles, and this means that they are currently separated.
Whenever I hear comments that indicate someone has already made up their mind completely about something, I cringe. Man cannot learn that which he thinks he already knows. Wisdom keeps an open mind regardless of its beliefs, in the knowledge that its beliefs are not necessarily the truth. Ask yourself... how many times have you believed something to be true, only to later find you were mistaken? If you say "never"... oh dear!

 

[Ubjon]

I would very much like to know what people on this website think about peaceful coexistence between those who study our material world (scientists) and those who study our spiritual world (theologians). My attempt to write an essay on that subject failed, as you can see at:

Spirituality and science

The webpage was prepared to generate a debate/discussion

Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)

Define what you mean by spiritual and exactly how theologians are studying this? As far as I can tell theologians are on the same level as Lord-of-the-Ring-ologians except they go a bit further in assuming that the fundamental claims of their stories are true.

Typically what people mean when they talk about peace co-existance between religion is that they want science to treat religion with kiddy gloves on and not spoil their storytime with inconvienient questions that the religious can't answer.

 

[Pegg]

Define what you mean by spiritual and exactly how theologians are studying this? As far as I can tell theologians are on the same level as Lord-of-the-Ring-ologians except they go a bit further in assuming that the fundamental claims of their stories are true.

Typically what people mean when they talk about peace co-existance between religion is that they want science to treat religion with kiddy gloves on and not spoil their storytime with inconvienient questions that the religious can't answer.

perhaps theologians would like scientists to stick to science and leave the philosophy to them.

the study of physical things rightly belongs to scientists, but when they start adding philosophical conclusions to their scientific data, they are infact acting as a philosopher and that is not their job.

It was Einstein who rightly said "The man of science is a poor philosopher"