People don't seem to understand faith

[outhouse]

simple fact that in the context of this thread, faith = trust. .

Yes it does. In the most narrow of definitions. As I pointed out repeatedly it is a synonym for trust.


The word faith is often used as a synonym for hope,[4] trust,[5] or belief.


But that is factually only part of the definition

Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Faith is confidence or trust in a person, thing, deity, view, or in the doctrines or teachings of a religion. It can also be defined as belief that is not based on proof,[1] as well as confidence based on some degree of warrant.[2][3] The word faith is often used as a synonym for hope,[4] trust,[5] or belief.


Why ignore the whole context?

 

[Nakosis]

Just don't seek to IMPOSE your beliefs upon others as a matter of law. That is what, um, crazy people wish to insert upon anyone that disagrees.

Understand?

But that is what the law is. People imposing what they believe to be correct behavior on others. The only requirement is an agreement by a majority, in a democratic society anyway.

If a majority happens to be Christians then that'll probably be reflected in the laws.

 

[Nakosis]

Here's some examples of you "not debating" the definition and "understanding" that we were using the "trust" definition in the context of the thread. I only did a couple pages because there are waaaay to many examples.

What a joke :biglaugh:. Ignore list time.

So Atheists are saying they've no problem with applying the term "faith" to themselves according to the definitions you want to use. OTOH they don't want to apply to their thinking the same definition you don't want to apply in this thread.


So what's the problem?

 

[gnostic]

Faith means, within the religious context, is believing things, like believing in god, angels, demons or spirits, or in miracles and prophecies, with no evidences to support such belief.

Faith, here has no support in reality.

And in reality, I mean "natural phenomena" with rational explanation that can be verified or tested, whether it be observance or evidence.

Faith in gods, spirits and in miracles would fall under the realms of the supernatural, something that defy reality or the law of nature. Such belief is taken on blind faith, not evidences.

But you, 1137, are trying to mix definitions as being one and the same, ordinary or non-religious term of "faith" with the religious term of the same word "faith".

Take for instance, when I say "I have faith that the sun will rise in the east, and will set in the west, each day".

This usage of faith, is an ordinary claim, but that can be verified and tested, by simply observing the rising and setting of the sun, each day, for weeks and months. Through such observations, we no longer required faith to believe this natural phenomena, for it be empirically observed and tested.

Now Jews and Christians in the past used to believe this phenomena of rising and setting sun, were the results of god having his angels physically moved the sun from the east to west (horizons), from one gate to another. They used to believe that the sun an moon moved on chariots or carts. (Sources: books of Job and Enoch.)

Ever since we have developed the telescopes, we know that this belief to be wrong. There are no evidences to support angels exist, let alone them being responsible for the movements of sun, moon and planets.

Any explanation (whether be scientific hypothesis or scientific theory) that can be observed, rigorously tested or repeated verified through evidences, no longer remain blind faith or belief.

Scriptures such as the bible or the Qur'an required us to believe in the supernatural (miracles or spirits or gods) that can't be tested or observed, is relying on blind faith and the gullibility of their followers.

The belief in god falls under the same category as believing in ghouls and goblins, or fairies and unicorns.

 

[s2a]

Most recently with some "new atheists" I realized that they deteriorate to the level of beasts when you tell them that everyone has faith and belief. People seem to think that faith and blind acceptance / belief are one in the same, yet faith is simply about deep trust. Evidence is not a factor in the definition. You tell some people they have faith in science and they will freak out.

My question is why this happens. What's so wrong about faith? My theory is these individuals cannot evolve past the original rebellion and just associate faith with religious beliefs, beliefs that must be rejected for them to develop a new sense of Self. They ironically become the same thing that they hate, in this and other ways.

Not to be overly rude...but "faith" in a religious connotation, has virtually nothing to do with a common faith in your refrigerator.

I have a "faith" in tomorrows sunrise, not vested in any "god", but that odds tend to favor a continuing cycle of a rotating earth. Sometimes, a "faith" rests within statistical probabilities that have nothing to do in for wishing for specified outcomes.

Is it "likely" that most of us should survive the next asteroid, cometary, volcanic occurrences? By dumb luck/circumstance alone, yes. C'mon folks...we are talking about millions, if not billions of years here. If you can leave aside the tale of Noah for a second... our species had remained and grown despite all odds, and will likely do so in the near future of less than 100 years, at least.

"Faith", "Truth", and generically speaking, "Hope"... are commonly shared aspects of humanity as a whole.

Then again, if I expect my car to start tomorrow, it's not "faith in god" that allows my rather mundane expectation to thrive. It's a reasonable expectation, and no "prayer" need intervene.

If you choose to believe that your car will not start absent any divine interventions of purpose, plan, or predictions...that's ok too...but shared instances are hardly the same thing as random coincidental occurrence.

If by some chance your car doesn't start tomorrow morning, the question is then put:

God didn't want it to start.
Your enemies kept your engine from starting.
Your AAA membership has expired....

OR, crap happens for no explicable reason at all...

No matter how you see the universe...you still have that "faith" that your vehicle will start tomorrow. Even if you really believe that handguns will eventually bring anout the justice that Jesus spoke about on the Mount.

Just know that the majority of us expect a working car in the AM, and the expectation is not predicate upon any hope, wish, or prayer.

It happens, because we now know better.

 

[psychoslice]

So called faith is blind, its wishful thinking, if it was true, then you wouldn't need faith.