''Perpetual'' free energy cell

[Etritonakin]

I will give the world this freely to use, nobody can patent the idea because I have already give it you all free and it is for the world and not any ''I''.

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It seems to me that "nature" is basically dynamic -everything is always moving and always has been (or it could not have moved in the first pace) -and so is essentially perpetual motion/energy -from which potentials can also be created.
While it may always take some sort of effort to maintain potentials, that effort is also part of the cycle.
What we really want is effortless or near-effortless energy -and I believe it may be possible from our perspective, as extreme potentials already exist -effort has already been made.
We do not have to cause them, and our effort is more efficiently spent learning to harness them (safely would be good).
Even if some effort will always be required (such as building your device), near-perfect efficiency may be possible.

Random thought...
Was reminded of the difference between the ease of Eden and great effort being required after being cast out -and even how our present form limits us. We spend most of our effort simply keeping ourselves alive.
Gen 3:17And to Adam He said: “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree from which I commanded you not to eat, Cursed is the ground because of you; through toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it will yield you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground—because out of it were you taken


Phil 3:21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

 

[james blunt]

It seems to me that "nature" is basically dynamic -everything is always moving and always has been (or it could not have moved in the first pace) -and so is essentially perpetual motion/energy -from which potentials can also be created.
While it may always take some sort of effort to maintain potentials, that effort is also part of the cycle.
What we really want is effortless or near-effortless energy -and I believe it may be possible from our perspective, as extreme potentials already exist -effort has already been made.
We do not have to cause them, and our effort is more efficiently spent learning to harness them (safely would be good).
Even if some effort will always be required (such as building your device), near-perfect efficiency may be possible.

Random thought...
Was reminded of the difference between the ease of Eden and great effort being required after being cast out -and even how our present form limits us. We spend most of our effort simply keeping ourselves alive.
Gen 3:17And to Adam He said: “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree from which I commanded you not to eat, Cursed is the ground because of you; through toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it will yield you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground—because out of it were you taken


Phil 3:21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

''If the SLS is able to meet the $500 million target, it would end up being cheaper to fly than the space shuttle. The shuttle program cost about $209 billion (in2010 dollars) over its lifetime and made a total of 135 flights, yielding an average cost per launch of more than $1.5 billion.12 Sep 2012''



It is now 2015, is it really acceptable that our fellow human beings are still in situations of living in states of squalor ?

Is it acceptable that these people are treated worse than mistreated dogs?



(The above picture is of a dog rescued in Puerto Rico )

Not related to the above picture ''a vet who mistreated two of her own dogs has been fined hundreds of pounds. Kerstin Vockert from Sopley in Dorset admitted failling to meet the welfare needs of her cocker spaniel and her shih tzu who were found severely matted and covered in mud and faeces. One was put down by Vockert herself - the other had to be completely shaved.''

Vet fined by RSCPA after neglecting her own dogs

Yet no one is fined or accountable for homeless humans or humans living in diabolical poverty or famine stricken countries, we can fine hundreds of pounds for a dog covered in faeces , yet we walk past the homeless holding our noses and mock the faeces on their clothes.

We can spend billions on science and war, but yet we can leave children with starving bellies.



''We look to the stars and we look to the world, we ask if there is a God, please do not forsake us, we have not done thy no evils, we are the innocent, we did not ask to be born in this specific location, a place of specific sun generation'' I imagine they say.

''Allah can not be wise and wonderful and everywhere, Allah does not show charity and mercy to all, yet we prey the same for his help although his name maybe named different , a name is just a name'' I imagine they say.

''There can be no God, love or compassion, humanity does not care about us, we will just die'' I imagine they do.

 

[Mox]

I will give the world this freely to use, nobody can patent the idea because I have already give it you all free and it is for the world and not any ''I''.

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What you have there is part of a very simple diagram of exploiting the thermal expansion of water to generate piezoelectric energy.

1. Water expands upon freezing unlike most other substances, but it stops expanding at a certain point, especially when it fills it's container. The amount of ice expanding mechanical stress that could be converted to electricty, would be excedingly small. Relative to a standard chemical cell.
Secondly in order to freeze something, you need energy, in order to power the refridgerator's gas pump. Unless you live in Siberia or something. Then you need heat energy to unfreeze your cell so you could recharge it again by freezing it.

2. Alternatively you could heat the water inside your cell and by thermal expansion, induce mechanical stress to generate electricity, however that energy source would need to be sustained.

In neither scenario is there any perpeptual free energy created.

As posters have pointed out, the conservation of energy law is pretty much water tight invioable.

Energy can neither be created or destroyed and not only that but every time energy is tranferred to another system, remember energy is the potential of a system to do work, some energy is lost, this entropy applies to all energy systems, diesel engines, human muscles and most certainly scenario 2 above.

 

[james blunt]

Energy can neither be created or destroyed

To be honest I have quit science now, not that I was a member. I will though point out to you that your above statement is incorrect.
Energy can dissipate to 0 values , that is why a mono-pole cannot exist without a binary force of an opposite signed mono-pole .

(-e) + ( +1e) = N (neutral)


Also energy can be created and is created by zero point energy being a binary. Two opposite signed charges can and do occupy the same point simultaneously.

This can be expressed

-0.5 q + 0.5 q = 0 q

Where q is charge.

But of course you will never accept that or any of my thoughts so the conversation is pretty pointless.

 

[Mox]

To be honest I have quit science now, not that I was a member. I will though point out to you that your above statement is incorrect.
Energy can dissipate to 0 values , that is why a mono-pole cannot exist without a binary force of an opposite signed mono-pole .

(-e) + ( +1e) = N (neutral)


Also energy can be created and is created by zero point energy being a binary. Two opposite signed charges can and do occupy the same point simultaneously.

This can be expressed

-0.5 q + 0.5 q = 0 q

Where q is charge.

But of course you will never accept that or any of my thoughts so the conversation is pretty pointless.

When virtual particle pairs pop out of zero point energy fluctuations at the quantum foam level, they almost instantly mutally annhilate each other, since one is an anti particle and the other, isnt. No mass energy is created or added to the universe. Not for very long anyway.

No conversation is pointless, I admire your interest and your initial idea for a mechanical stress powered piezoelectric cell, by exploiting thermal expansion properties of water, is novel.

 

[james blunt]

When virtual particle pairs pop out of zero point energy fluctuations at the quantum foam level, they almost instantly mutally annhilate each other, since one is an anti particle and the other, isnt.

When a binary pairing splits, each individual element becomes a mono - pole , a mono-pole is anti to itself by being repulsive to itself.
Without the pairing there is self annihilation that would seem consistent and a reasonable assumption based on likewise signed charge repulses.

Also in consideration for created energy, if energy was created in the beginning to create the Universe, there is nothing in the ''rules'' that says this process stopped creating energy .

 

[Etritonakin]

''If the SLS is able to meet the $500 million target, it would end up being cheaper to fly than the space shuttle. The shuttle program cost about $209 billion (in2010 dollars) over its lifetime and made a total of 135 flights, yielding an average cost per launch of more than $1.5 billion.12 Sep 2012''



It is now 2015, is it really acceptable that our fellow human beings are still in situations of living in states of squalor ?

Is it acceptable that these people are treated worse than mistreated dogs?



(The above picture is of a dog rescued in Puerto Rico )

Not related to the above picture ''a vet who mistreated two of her own dogs has been fined hundreds of pounds. Kerstin Vockert from Sopley in Dorset admitted failling to meet the welfare needs of her cocker spaniel and her shih tzu who were found severely matted and covered in mud and faeces. One was put down by Vockert herself - the other had to be completely shaved.''

Vet fined by RSCPA after neglecting her own dogs

Yet no one is fined or accountable for homeless humans or humans living in diabolical poverty or famine stricken countries, we can fine hundreds of pounds for a dog covered in faeces , yet we walk past the homeless holding our noses and mock the faeces on their clothes.

We can spend billions on science and war, but yet we can leave children with starving bellies.



''We look to the stars and we look to the world, we ask if there is a God, please do not forsake us, we have not done thy no evils, we are the innocent, we did not ask to be born in this specific location, a place of specific sun generation'' I imagine they say.

''Allah can not be wise and wonderful and everywhere, Allah does not show charity and mercy to all, yet we prey the same for his help although his name maybe named different , a name is just a name'' I imagine they say.

''There can be no God, love or compassion, humanity does not care about us, we will just die'' I imagine they do.

I don't understand your point in relation to my post.

 

[james blunt]

I don't understand your point in relation to my post.

You mention Eden, my point shows how stupid we are as people since we left Eden. To look after Dogs better than humans is insane ?

 

[Etritonakin]

You mention Eden, my point shows how stupid we are as people since we left Eden. To look after Dogs better than humans is insane ?

Government agencies doing their best to move the homeless out of certain areas rather than attempting to seriously address homelessness is more than sad.
There are so many other associated issues which would make it difficult, but it is worthwhile.

 

[Sir Doom]

Piezoelectric material produces electricity when in motion or under stress.

And I assume that you are causing stress from the following:

Water expands when heat is added or when it freezes.

So, what you think is going to happen is that the piezo is going to be put under stress by water which expands due to heat from the electricity produced by the piezo. Do I have that straight?

Please, please, please tell me that's what you think.

 

[james blunt]

And I assume that you are causing stress from the following:



So, what you think is going to happen is that the piezo is going to be put under stress by water which expands due to heat from the electricity produced by the piezo. Do I have that straight?

Please, please, please tell me that's what you think.

If we fill the ''cubes'' at a certain temperature, when we move the 'cubes' to a higher state energy , i.e outside

The higher state energy will be attracted to the lower state energy hopefully producing the desired chain reaction .

 

[Sir Doom]

If we fill the ''cubes'' at a certain temperature, when we move the 'cubes' to a higher state energy , i.e outside

The higher state energy will be attracted to the lower state energy hopefully producing the desired chain reaction .

Is that a no or a yes

 

[james blunt]

Is that a no or a yes

Well, I went back to the future then back to 10,000 BC where you followed me. I stole your time machine and now you have got to wait until about 2550AD before you can build another machine, unlucky.

 

[Sir Doom]

Well, I went back to the future then back to 10,000 BC where you followed me. I stole your time machine and now you have got to wait until about 2550AD before you can build another machine, unlucky.

You must have me mistaken for a more popular family member.

 

[`mud]

Shells upon shells upon the floor of this room of space-time,
and not a single nut inside.....just shells upon shells !

 

[Shaul]

Its free , no need to buy anything, it will work according to physics.

LOL!

Such a profound misunderstanding of physics.

 

[Shaul]

Of course I didn't, I am not doing all the work, science are proper lazy . I am busy working on anti gravity and zero point energy, these power cells are just a novelty to me, I have much bigger plans and ideas than a power cell.

“Novelty” was a good word choice. Like a novelty “whoopie” cushion or fake vomit.

 

[exchemist]

Shells upon shells upon the floor of this room of space-time,
and not a single nut inside.....just shells upon shells !

Oh I don't know. We seem to have a nut here all right.

 

[`mud]

hey Ex',
Are you calling me a `nut` ?
Better than a `pit` I suppose !
We have some apricots here also,
and some peaches too !
Careful, don't trip on those shells !

 

[exchemist]

hey Ex',
Are you calling me a `nut` ?
Better than a `pit` I suppose !
We have some apricots here also,
and some peaches too !
Careful, don't trip on those shells !

Haha no I meant a certain person who posts wannabe sciency rubbish and probably writes from a secure psychiatric institution somewhere.