Pets in heaven

[Wildswanderer]

Wouldn't god make that determination? God wouldn't be beholden to nor restricted by a book written by man.

Of course God makes that determination... And the book informs us on what some of his determinations are.

 

[dybmh]

If I truly believe that animals had a soul, I probably wouldn't kill and eat them.

If the energy gained from eating meat is used for a holy purpose, the soul of the animal eaten is elevated.

 

[Father Heathen]

Of course God makes that determination... And the book informs us on what some of his determinations are.

The book is dead goat herders using god as a sock puppet.

 

[muhammad_isa]

If I truly believe that animals had a soul, I probably wouldn't kill and eat them.

We are not eating "souls", we are eating meat.
A person who is cruel to an animal or a human will be questioned about it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

We are not eating "souls", we are eating meat.
A person who is cruel to an animal or a human will be questioned about it.

So then what's the difference between me killing and eating an animal and eating a human?

 

[Trailblazer]

I didn't say there were no animals in heaven, I said animals don't go to heaven when they die.

How does that work? I mean how do you think animals get to heaven?

 

[muhammad_isa]

So then what's the difference between me killing and eating an animal and eating a human?

Umm .. murder is a major sin .. it is not forbidden to sacrifice an animal for food or clothing.

 

[Wildswanderer]

How does that work? I mean how do you think animals get to heaven?

I suppose they are born there. Why would earth be the only place with animals? Perhaps they're different than the ones here.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Umm .. murder is a major sin .. it is not forbidden to sacrifice an animal for food or clothing.

Forbidden by whom? I agree but it makes sense to me because animals are never said to have eternal life.

 

[Trailblazer]

I suppose they are born there. Why would earth be the only place with animals? Perhaps they're different than the ones here.

I sure do hope that earth is not the only place with animals, but what reason do you have to believe that animals are in heaven?

 

[Wildswanderer]

I sure do hope that earth is not the only place with animals, but what reason do you have to believe that animals are in heaven?

Revelations.
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

 

[Reyn]

It's a business opportunity. From After The Rapture Pet Care - After The Rapture Pet Care:

"A couple weeks later Carol came back and suggested we start After The Rapture Pet Care together. She said she had asked several Christian friends the same question she’d asked me, and every one of them would pay for a service to ensure the care of their pets after the Rapture. I had also asked some fellow Christians their thoughts. In every case they wished there was a way to prepare for their pets’ survival."

I’m the designated left behinder, so I’ll be caring for the pets after the family goes floating away.

 

[Trailblazer]

Revelations.
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

With all due respect, I believe those verses are symbolic, not literal, so I do not believe that means there are horses or armies in heaven.

 

[Trailblazer]

I’m the designated left behinder, so I’ll be caring for the pets after the family goes floating away.

I will come and help you take care of the pets since I am also a left behinder.

 

[Reyn]

I will come and help you take care of the pets since I am also a left behinder.

I’ll remember that!

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Religious radio was just talking about animals not going to heaven. Haha. What a ridiculous thing to talk about. You going to tell your child that? Of course everything goes to heaven, even the dust!

Heaven is just a different reality. I suspect humanity will develop many Heavens, and allow us to enjoy them accordingly. We're developing Heaven into Earth, so then Heaven can exist for all post-lives thereon after.

 

[cataway]

this Heaven you all are dwelling on ,is it biblical or from some Pagon concept? if pagon
(raspberry) it really does not matter. invent what ever you like . if from the bible then there are rules that must be fallowed.

 

[joelr]

this Heaven you all are dwelling on ,is it biblical or from some Pagon concept? if pagon
(raspberry) it really does not matter. invent what ever you like . if from the bible then there are rules that must be fallowed.

In the OT it's where only God lived. There are illusions in the NT to people going there but that is more related to the Persian myth they adopted about a general resurrection at the end of the world. Why go to heaven when all members of the religion are going to be resurrected after the end war on Earth?
But the idea is from Greek thought:

During the period of the Second Temple (c.515 BC – 70 AD), the Hebrew people lived under the rule of first the Persian Achaemenid Empire, then the Greek kingdoms of the Diadochi, and finally the Roman Empire.[47] Their culture was profoundly influenced by those of the peoples who ruled them.[47] Consequently, their views on existence after death were profoundly shaped by the ideas of the Persians, Greeks, and Romans.[48][49] The idea of the immortality of the soul is derived from Greek philosophy[49] and the idea of the resurrection of the dead is derived from Persian cosmology.[49] By the early first century AD, these two seemingly incompatible ideas were often conflated by Hebrew thinkers.[49] The Hebrews also inherited from the Persians, Greeks, and Romans the idea that the human soul originates in the divine realm and seeks to return there.[47] The idea that a human soul belongs in Heaven and that Earth is merely a temporary abode in which the soul is tested to prove its worthiness became increasingly popular during the Hellenistic period (323 – 31 BC).[40] Gradually, some Hebrews began to adopt the idea of Heaven as the eternal home of the righteous dead.[40]

(Sanders), Wright, Hundley. historical scholars

 

[cataway]

In the OT it's where only God lived. There are illusions in the NT to people going there but that is more related to the Persian myth they adopted about a general resurrection at the end of the world. Why go to heaven when all members of the religion are going to be resurrected after the end war on Earth?
But the idea is from Greek thought:

During the period of the Second Temple (c.515 BC – 70 AD), the Hebrew people lived under the rule of first the Persian Achaemenid Empire, then the Greek kingdoms of the Diadochi, and finally the Roman Empire.[47] Their culture was profoundly influenced by those of the peoples who ruled them.[47] Consequently, their views on existence after death were profoundly shaped by the ideas of the Persians, Greeks, and Romans.[48][49] The idea of the immortality of the soul is derived from Greek philosophy[49] and the idea of the resurrection of the dead is derived from Persian cosmology.[49] By the early first century AD, these two seemingly incompatible ideas were often conflated by Hebrew thinkers.[49] The Hebrews also inherited from the Persians, Greeks, and Romans the idea that the human soul originates in the divine realm and seeks to return there.[47] The idea that a human soul belongs in Heaven and that Earth is merely a temporary abode in which the soul is tested to prove its worthiness became increasingly popular during the Hellenistic period (323 – 31 BC).[40] Gradually, some Hebrews began to adopt the idea of Heaven as the eternal home of the righteous dead.[40]

(Sanders), Wright, Hundley. historical scholars

"resurrected after the end war on Earth?"
i suspect you missed something

 

[joelr]

"resurrected after the end war on Earth?"
i suspect you missed something

Well then I'll post Mary Boyce's summary of the Persian myth -


Beginning of
Apocalypses and Apocalypticism


but Zoroaster taught that the blessed must wait for this culmination till Frashegird and the 'future body' (Pahlavi 'tan i pasen'), when the earth will give up the bones of the dead (Y 30.7). This general resurrection will be followed by the Last Judgment, which will divide all the righteous from the wicked, both those who have lived until that time and those who have been judged already. Then Airyaman, Yazata of friendship and healing, together with Atar, Fire, will melt all the metal in the mountains, and this will flow in a glowing river over the earth. All mankind must pass through this river, and, as it is said in a Pahlavi text, 'for him who is righteous it will seem like warm milk, and for him who is wicked, it will seem as if he is walking in the • flesh through molten metal' (GBd XXXIV. r 8-r 9). In this great apocalyptic vision Zoroaster perhaps fused, unconsciously, tales of volcanic eruptions and streams of burning lava with his own experience of Iranian ordeals by molten metal; and according to his stern original teaching, strict justice will prevail then, as at each individual j udgment on earth by a fiery ordeal. So at this last ordeal of all the wicked will suffer a second death, and will perish off the face of the earth. The Daevas and legions of darkness will already have been annihilated in a last great battle with the Yazatas; and the river of metal will flow down into hell, slaying Angra Mainyu and burning up the last vestige of wickedness in the universe.

Ahura Mazda and the six Amesha Spentas will then solemnize a lt, spiritual yasna, offering up the last sacrifice (after which death wW be no more), and making a preparation of the mystical 'white haoma', which will confer immortality on the resurrected bodies of all the blessed, who will partake of it. Thereafter men will beome like the Immortals themselves, of one thought, word and deed, unaging, free from sickness, without corruption, forever joyful in the kingdom of God upon earth. For it is in this familiar and beloved world, restored to its original perfection, that, according to Zoroaster, eternity will be passed in bliss, and not in a remote insubstantial Paradise. So the time of Separation is a renewal of the time of Creation, except that no return is prophesied to the original uniqueness of living things. Mountain and valley will give place once more to level plain; but whereas in the beginning there was one plant, one animal, one man, the rich variety and number that have since issued from these will remain forever. Similarly the many divinities who were brought into being by Ahura Mazda will continue to have their separate existences. There is no prophecy of their re-absorption into the Godhead. As a Pahlavi text puts it, after Frashegird 'Ohrmaid and the Amahraspands and all Yazads and men will be together. .. ; every place will resemble a garden in spring, in which

there are all kinds of trees and flowers ... and it will be entirely the creation of Ohrrnazd' (Pahl.Riv.Dd. XLVIII, 99, lOO, l07).