pig products in bread

[NoahideHiker]

I'm not sure how one could do a seder meal without meat. Maybe someone Jewish can come in and talk about it.

Apparently the Talmud teaches in Pesachim 109a that since the destruction of the Temple eating meat on festivals or any other time is not required.

http://www.jewishveg.com/passover.html

As for me, pass the chicken!

 

[Valjean]

I find that 100% of the breads in the large grocery chains contain ingredients of questionable origin.
Look at the ingredient list the next time you go shopping. Do you see "mono and diglycerides" listed? Some products will specify vegetable glycerides, but the breadstuffs never seem to. There's no way to know weather they're animal derived glycerides or not.

 

[Booko]

Sharon, you should write a book with the information you've accumulated about food allergies.

I've actually given this some serious thought, as in perhaps in a year I might get a start on it.

I have cookbooks that specialize in one sort of allergy, but they are lousy about giving me any useful information about dealing with multiple allergies or providing any practical substitutes.

There's a lot of info out there, but it's sprayed all over the place. And there's a lot of kitchen testing to be done.

Part medical info...part critique of our *cough cough* ag and food industry...part recipies...part advice from the trenches kind of thing.

Exactly what I had in mind. People need to know where the hidden stuff is even if they don't have food allergies, as can be seen from this thread.

Now, who woulda thunk there might be pig products in *bread*?
:thud:

 

[Booko]

I find that 100% of the breads in the large grocery chains contain ingredients of questionable origin.
Look at the ingredient list the next time you go shopping. Do you see "mono and diglycerides" listed? Some products will specify vegetable glycerides, but the breadstuffs never seem to. There's no way to know weather they're animal derived glycerides or not.

Exactly...they never tell me if the citric acid or vinegar comes from a corn source either. With kinesiology I can tell, but for anyone else, it's just pure guesswork, and they usually just put the product back and the shelf rather than take a chance on it.

I don't understand why bread would possibly need any other ingredients than: flour, yeast, water, salt. OK, milk and egg and occasionslly honey or some other sweetener are options as well, but not necessities for all sorts of bread.

I have a nice mixer with a bread hook, and after that ceramics class I had way back in college, I can knead bread really really fast. I'm doing ok now buying bread at the market, but I want to get back in the business of making my own again. I'll probably have to soon anyway, since most yeast is...grown on...corn. *sigh*

I found a peda bread recipe years ago that was just wonderful...and then promptly forgot which of my cookbooks it was in.

 

[Booko]

Apparently the Talmud teaches in Pesachim 109a that since the destruction of the Temple eating meat on festivals or any other time is not required.

I figured it must be possible, since I know Jewish vegetarians.

I would say I dated a Jewish vegetarian in college, but he wasn't exactly observant.

 

[Doktormartini]

I find that 100% of the breads in the large grocery chains contain ingredients of questionable origin.
Look at the ingredient list the next time you go shopping. Do you see "mono and diglycerides" listed? Some products will specify vegetable glycerides, but the breadstuffs never seem to. There's no way to know weather they're animal derived glycerides or not.

Yes there is. Simple! Just contact the company! I've learned to do that a lot since I became a vegan!

 

[Booko]

Yes there is. Simple! Just contact the company! I've learned to do that a lot since I became a vegan!

What I've learned from the corn allergy is that if you don't ask the questions just right or don't ask the right person, you won't get the right answer.

And in the case of someone with a severe, as in life-threatening, allergy, let's just say the company is a LOT more likely to take you seriously. If they tell you the wrong thing and you die -- they might get sued.

If you're just interested because you're vegan, they won't get sued for being wrong.

 

[Doktormartini]

What I've learned from the corn allergy is that if you don't ask the questions just right or don't ask the right person, you won't get the right answer.

And in the case of someone with a severe, as in life-threatening, allergy, let's just say the company is a LOT more likely to take you seriously. If they tell you the wrong thing and you die -- they might get sued.

If you're just interested because you're vegan, they won't get sued for being wrong.

Can they get sued for lying though?

 

[kiwimac]

One of the joys of Zoroastrianism is that there are no forbidden foods, except perhaps Dog meat, as the Dog is a sacred animal for Zoroastrians.

 

[john313]

Wow, all that trouble...I can see how the pork issue started back when preparing food wasn't as sanitary as it is today. Do people believe God does not approve of eating pigs, or is it just more of a sanitary issue that they have just not changed?

eating pork is also extremely unhealthy. it is the worst of the popular "western" meats for health, even if cooked properly. consuming dairy and meat together also slows the digestion and lets the meat rot even longer before it is digested. the animals slaughtered for kosher/halal meat must be raised properly, the modern factory farm animals are not acceptable since it is considered cruel to raise them the way they are raised. regular chicken eggs are also considered unlawful due to the way the chickens are treated. of course some people are more relaxed on the laws in some areas due to the difficulties in obtaining kosher/halal meat and an unwillingness not to eat meat, or some other personal reasons.

wa peace

 

[Booko]

Can they get sued for lying though?

What are the damages you'd sue for?

The damage done to me would be pretty obvious and easy to document.

 

[john313]

I'm not sure how one could do a seder meal without meat. Maybe someone Jewish can come in and talk about it.

salaam,

part of the nazarite vow to consecrate oneself to God, spoken of by moses, is not eating meat.

wa shalom

 

[NoahideHiker]

eating pork is also extremely unhealthy. it is the worst of the popular "western" meats for health, even if cooked properly. consuming dairy and meat together also slows the digestion and lets the meat rot even longer before it is digested. the animals slaughtered for kosher/halal meat must be raised properly, the modern factory farm animals are not acceptable since it is considered cruel to raise them the way they are raised. regular chicken eggs are also considered unlawful due to the way the chickens are treated. of course some people are more relaxed on the laws in some areas due to the difficulties in obtaining kosher/halal meat and an unwillingness not to eat meat, or some other personal reasons.

wa peace

Even when we eat the "good meats" we eat way too much of it. It's the American consumerism I think that gets these 20oz. steaks on menus here. I've been really pleased that mainstream stores carry more organic veggies and I wish they'd follow with the better meat also. We know so little about what we eat. Like milk. We inject so much crap into milk cows and then wonder why our 12 year old daughters are fully developed.

 

[john313]

Even when we eat the "good meats" we eat way too much of it. It's the American consumerism I think that gets these 20oz. steaks on menus here. I've been really pleased that mainstream stores carry more organic veggies and I wish they'd follow with the better meat also. We know so little about what we eat. Like milk. We inject so much crap into milk cows and then wonder why our 12 year old daughters are fully developed.

totally man, i went vegan a few years ago and it is great. The University of Michigan Integrative Medicine’s Healing Foods Pyramid recommends at most 1-3 servings (1 serving is 2-3 oz) of meat per week. so that 20oz steak should be a 2 week's supply of flesh.

peace