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"Pious Frauds" done "in the name of Jesus"!?

Question:
#224
" Pious Fraud "
Christian are a very good people; but the Paulines took advantage of the simple minded followers of (Jesus) Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, and made them believe "Pious Fraud" of resurrection; how many other Pious Frauds have been made by the Paulines "in the name of Jesus", any idea please.
Answer:
#225 by @Sargonski

Right?


The big problem with the idea Paul, or Paulines (which is something Paul himself said shouldn't be a thing, as it wasn't who brought you into the faith that mattered, but the fact you came into the faith) are pious frauds is that it ignores what we are actually told. Specifically, in Galatians, Paul tells us that he met with Peter (the Greek making it clear that he learned from Peter during this time), and that he met with James.

He met with those in charge of the Jesus movement, and he does so in order to have his message approved. The message he does preach was approved by James and the disciples, and it is only then that he really goes on his mission to the Gentiles. Part of this agreement he has with the Jerusalem pillars is that he will also take an offering for the poor in Jerusalem. Which he mentions from time to time in later letters.

So no, Paul wouldn't be a pious fraud, as he does get approval from the leaders of the Jesus movement.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
"Pious Frauds" done "in the name of Jesus"!?
Question:
#224
" Pious Fraud "
Christian are a very good people; but the Paulines took advantage of the simple minded followers of (Jesus) Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, and made them believe "Pious Fraud" of resurrection; how many other Pious Frauds have been made by the Paulines "in the name of Jesus", any idea please.
Answer:
#225 by @Sargonski

Right?
The big problem with the idea Paul, or Paulines (which is something Paul himself said shouldn't be a thing, as it wasn't who brought you into the faith that mattered, but the fact you came into the faith) are pious frauds is that it ignores what we are actually told. Specifically, in Galatians, Paul tells us that he met with Peter (the Greek making it clear that he learned from Peter during this time), and that he met with James.

He met with those in charge of the Jesus movement, and he does so in order to have his message approved. The message he does preach was approved by James and the disciples, and it is only then that he really goes on his mission to the Gentiles. Part of this agreement he has with the Jerusalem pillars is that he will also take an offering for the poor in Jerusalem. Which he mentions from time to time in later letters.

So no, Paul wouldn't be a pious fraud, as he does get approval from the leaders of the Jesus movement.
The problem with the Paulines is that (Jesus)Yeshua was alive then and gone from Galilee towards the East, where the diaspora Israelites (don't confuse with the Jews) to give them the message One G-d has appointed him to give to them, right, please?
This Pauline Pious Fraud doesn't work, please, right?

Regards
 

Sumadji

Active Member
The big problem with the idea Paul, or Paulines (which is something Paul himself said shouldn't be a thing, as it wasn't who brought you into the faith that mattered, but the fact you came into the faith) are pious frauds is that it ignores what we are actually told. Specifically, in Galatians, Paul tells us that he met with Peter (the Greek making it clear that he learned from Peter during this time), and that he met with James.

He met with those in charge of the Jesus movement, and he does so in order to have his message approved. The message he does preach was approved by James and the disciples, and it is only then that he really goes on his mission to the Gentiles. Part of this agreement he has with the Jerusalem pillars is that he will also take an offering for the poor in Jerusalem. Which he mentions from time to time in later letters.

So no, Paul wouldn't be a pious fraud, as he does get approval from the leaders of the Jesus movement.
@paarsurrey is Amadiyya Muslim.

They believe Jesus was taken down alive from the cross and then travelled to India where he continued teaching to the remaining 'lost tribes of Israel' on the Indian continent, until he died a natural death and was buried at the Roza Bal shrine in Srinagar, Kashmir, India, where there is a plaster imprint of his feet with the nail marks from the crucifixion.

The Amadiyya founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad believed he was the the returned Christ.
Amadiyya

It ties in with 'The Da Vinci Code' theory that Jesus survived the cross and went on to marry Mary Magdalene and have children.

In fact Paul was the first Christian writer, before the gospels. The Letter to the Galatians is dated 48AD and 1Thessolonians to 52AD. Paul met Peter and stayed with him for 15 days in Jerusalem, where he mert and spoke with James, the brother of Jesus, and he later met the apostle John.
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
"Pious Frauds" done "in the name of Jesus"!?

One may like to read my post #82 :
Is it smart to claim "my Religion is superior"?
Poster #81 "I believe everything I say comes from Jesus."

What a gossip ^ of the poster , please, right?
Doesn't it qualify to be another pious fraud done "in the name of Jesus", please, right??

Regards
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Indigo Child on poster of post # 81 above:

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