Pizza hut lays off all its drivers just because minimum wage was increased.

[Kfox]

Second job/main job isn't the issue. It's demanding someone use a service that pays very little to its workers and in most situations is unsustainable.

Nobody is demanding anybody use their service.

Even if it's a second job, if you're only pulling in a few bucks an hour after expenses it's not worth it. And most of America just isn't big enough to make it worth your time. Too many drivers in an area can also hurt. And, again, you have to rake in tips and a lot of people don't tip.

If it were as bad as you say it is, nobody would do it, they would do something else; or nothing at all.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nobody is demanding anybody use their service

You're the one who said people can use it.

If it were as bad as you say it is, nobody would do it, they would do something else; or nothing at all.

Before expenses drivers average about $15-$20 an hour. Thats not that much and because lots of people suck at math (Dairy Queen really helped to highlight this) they believe they're getting some extra money but the little extra after expenses isn't worth it.

 

[Kfox]

You're the one who said people can use it.

Yes they CAN use it; but nobody is demanding they use it.

Before expenses drivers average about $15-$20 an hour.

In which state is this average?

Thats not that much and because lots of people suck at math (Dairy Queen really helped to highlight this) they believe they're getting some extra money but the little extra after expenses isn't worth it.

Again; nobody is going to do it if they feel it isn't worth it.

 

[Firenze]

Correct! Now we have to determine was work and what wages unless you want to pay the doctor the same amount as a driver who delivers pizza.

I might be in favor of paying the delivery driver more than the doctor - as the data shows they misdiagnose at an average rate of 11% of the time, causing over 370,000 deaths and over 420,000 permanent disabilities every year. My delivery driver gets me my Buffalo wings every time......

 

[The Hammer]

Your ignorance of how a franchise business works and your amazement with large numbers is why you can't comprehend your error. How much does it cost for someone to buy a Pizza Hut franchise? It's as much as $2 million. That's the investment an individual or family has to make to have the opportunity to make enough money to achieve the financial success they are willing to work for. What Pizza Hut corporate makes has nothing to do with the costs incurred by that franchise owner - and it's the franchise owner who suffers when the minimum wage goes up and their monthly income does not. You think that franchisee is making billions? They're not. So stop pretending that 'Pizza Hut' is just a fat cat CEO. It's also 19,000 hard working franchisees with families they struggle to feed because some cities think a high school dropout needs $20 an hour to deliver pizza and feed their Xbox addiction. Go ahead and whine about the actual fat cats. That's a legitimate issue. But don't tell my daughter that she has to lower her net income for this nonsense.

Wow. Your opinion is. .... Sad.

You seem to think being a hs dropout is some sort of "**** you stay poor" situation.

Say what?

Don't bother explaining yourself I won't reply.

 

[Kenny]

Dude. You're literally devaluing them: arguing that their employer shouldn't pay them a reasonable wage. Why?

Do you think their labour isn't worth at least $16/h to their employer?

This is devolved into a useless discussion.

Appreciate the attempt.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It is a great experience to understand the value of work, motivation to go beyond minimum wage because of one’s potential, the value of understanding authority, customer service, and more - intangibles that are without price.

All jobs like that did for me was teach me how to hate work and view it as a scam where you do all the hard work while someone else gets rich.

Correct! Now we have to determine was work and what wages unless you want to pay the doctor the same amount as a driver who delivers pizza.

The delivery driver should make enough to afford the doctor without me having to subsidize it.

The problem with this position is that one forgets that the person who delivers also receives tips. So, though minimum wage as a minimum, the maximum can be quite lucrative, thanks to “capitalists with a heart”.

A lot of people don't tip and an employee should not be relying on a subsidized wage in the form of hand out from the customer.

The fact that many choose Pizza Hut as a career (as do those in Chick-Fil-A) gives credence that it is a good place to work at.

Do they really choose it or is that all they can get?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Without the leader, the group
is just a feckless crowd.

Even a leader can be booted out by the group and is dependent on the group to get things done.
It's called a group effort, and even janitors are pretty important (more important than most, really).

 

[Heyo]

I think one needs a more comprehensive investigation on these particulars.

I have many people in our church that get social assistance and don’t want to earn more because it will stop their assistance. The fact that many choose Pizza Hut as a career (as do those in Chick-Fil-A) gives credence that it is a good place to work at.

Or it is just "the lesser evil".
The fact that many choose Trump over Hillary, didn't make Trump a good Prez.

 

[Revoltingest]

Even a leader can be booted out by the group.....

....in a company that wouldn't exist with the founder.

In an alternate reality I visit sometimes, there was
no Henry Ford. This is where the Ford Piquette
Ave assembly plant would've been.

The economy needs that small percentage
of people with smarts & initiative. They
enable the masses to have jobs, get vaccines,
learn math, etc, etc.
You & I are not as valuable as they are.
We could disappear, & no one else would
even notice.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If it were as bad as you say it is, nobody would do it, they would do something else; or nothing at all.

My sense is that a lot of delivery and rideshare app drivers realize that their net wages after expenses truly suck when they get their first major car repair bill.

Either that or they didn't declare their business use of their car to their insurer to make the money work, but then they get into a collision and end up in trouble with their insurer.

This second point is another factor in the economics of this: if a driver who's an employee of Pizza Hut has a sketchy insurance arrangement for the car they use for work, Pizza Hut has a liability risk here. Pizza Hut will require the driver to have proper insurance and will need to compensate the driver for those extra insurance costs in order to attract employees.

OTOH, because Uber Eats or the like is allowed to declare their driver "independent contractors", Uber Eats doesn't have the same liability when a driver has sketchy insurance... which helps to keep their costs lower.

 

[Kenny]

All jobs like that did for me was teach me how to hate work and view it as a scam where you do all the hard work while someone else gets rich.

Yes… people can approach things differently and get different results. I have found that “rich” is a matter of perspective. I was “rich” when I was just raising a family of 5-7 people on $300/week - no insurance.

The delivery driver should make enough to afford the doctor without me having to subsidize it.

Delivery drivers are like servers at a restaurant. They get great tips if they serve greatly. Actually, it can be quite profitable (I should know, my daughters worked at Olive Garden for quite a few years.

Yes, Obama care is available.

A lot of people don't tip and an employee should not be relying on a subsidized wage in the form of hand out from the customer.

Yes… you can have different ways of doing something. Maybe a chain that doesn’t let tips be given, higher prices on prepared foods with the “tips - wages” worked into it? Free market.

Do they really choose it or is that all they can get?

That is a good question.

If I were to look at it holistically, I would have to ask questions like:

1. What is work your history like? (is this your 10th job in 10 years?)
2. Are you battling any addiction? (Many times it is all they can get because of their addictions - not a job problem but a personal issue)
3. What are you looking for? (I have found that there are many jobs, just that people don’t want to do that particular job)
4. Is this something that life threw a curve ball at you or is this something you have created yoruself

It is hard to just say “you don’t pay enough” - when you don’t know the background of how you got there.

If someone has built a business and then goes bankrupt, give him 5 years and he will have a business again. If someone doesn’t know how to live on $20,000 a year - they won’t know how to live with $100,000+ a year.

I have financially counseled at both ends of the spectrum. Incidentally, I was in the $20,000+ a year, raising a family and lived without missing a meal. Hard, yes… be we learned some things that have benefitted us.

 

[Kenny]

Or it is just "the lesser evil".
The fact that many choose Trump over Hillary, didn't make Trump a good Prez.

Trump syndrome since this has nothing to do with the subject. That being said:

If people chose Hillary over Trump, it doesn’t make Hillary a good Prez.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes… people can approach things differently and get different results. I have found that “rich” is a matter of perspective. I was “rich” when I was just raising a family of 5-7 people on $300/week - no insurance.

Presumably, this advice is for anyone, right?

When a franchise owner is unhappy with what a minimum wage increase will do to his ROI, you would also tell him that he can still feel "rich" as he makes do with less... wouldn't you?

 

[Heyo]

Trump syndrome since this has nothing to do with the subject. That being said:

If people chose Hillary over Trump, it doesn’t make Hillary a good Prez.

Exactly. If you only have two bad options, you can't pick the good one.
If your options for survival are to work as delivery driver for Pizza Hut or Chick-fil-A, you can't assume that you get a "good" job.

 

[Kenny]

Presumably, this advice is for anyone, right?

When a franchise owner is unhappy with what a minimum wage increase will do to his ROI, you would also tell him that he can still feel "rich" as he makes do with less... wouldn't you?

I would find another job? Start my own business? How about open a restaurant and treat your employees like you want others to treat you? Competition?

EDITED

Be like Hobby Lobby at start them off at 18/ hour?

Just because one is rich doesn’t mean that you are greedy.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I would find another job? Start my own business?

I'm not sure I follow you. A franchisee who's unhappy with the ROI from their franchise should find another job or start their own business?

 

[Kenny]

I'm not sure I follow you. A franchisee who's unhappy with the ROI from their franchise should find another job or start their own business?

I misunderstood… sorry

If a franchise owner was forced to up the minimum wage, he would work it out whether he liked it or not.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I misunderstood… sorry

If a franchise owner was forced to up the minimum wage, he would work it out whether he liked it or not.

But "liking it" is just a matter of attitude and perspective, and as you pointed out, even people making minimum wage can feel "rich" with the right attitude.

If a delivery driver making $33,280/y ($16 minimum wage at 40 hours a week) can feel rich, surely a franchise owner making $33,280/y can feel rich as well... right?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes… people can approach things differently and get different results.

It's nit perspective. Those jobs don't teach anything about work and those who think they do have a more negative and misanthropic outlook than I do to think people are so fundamentally incapable they need a crappy job that teaches nothing to learn how to work.

I have found that “rich” is a matter of perspective. I was “rich” when I was just raising a family of 5-7 people on $300/week - no insurance.

No, whwn you're poor and on a budhet you definitely aren't rich. It's not a matter of perspective, it's how much essentials strain and squeeze what money you have.

Delivery drivers are like servers at a restaurant. They get great tips if they serve greatly. Actually, it can be quite profitable (I should know, my daughters worked at Olive Garden for quite a few years.

Yes, Obama care is available.

It's not that it's available. If you're working you should make enough to not need to rely on welfare. That shoukd be for people who are actually struggling with things like health, unfortunate life circumstances am others who legit need more. It shouldn't be for able bodied workers who just can't get a wage to bring them above the poverty line.

Yes… you can have different ways of doing something. Maybe a chain that doesn’t let tips be given, higher prices on prepared foods with the “tips - wages” worked into it? Free market.

It's the fact that relying on tips to pay your workers is the boss expecting the customers to subsidize the low wages with a hand out from the customers.
It's a business, not a charity.

It is hard to just say “you don’t pay enough” - when you don’t know the background of how you got there.

If someone has built a business and then goes bankrupt, give him 5 years and he will have a business again. If someone doesn’t know how to live on $20,000 a year - they won’t know how to live with $100,000+ a year.

I have financially counseled at both ends of the spectrum. Incidentally, I was in the $20,000+ a year, raising a family and lived without missing a meal. Hard, yes… be we learned some things that have benefitted us.

No, that's just assuming poor people are bad with money while assuming those who at least start a business are inherently better.
And, yes, I get to say employers don't pay enough when my tax dollars get used to subsidize that employer's low wages.

That is a good question.

If I were to look at it holistically, I would have to ask questions like:

1. What is work your history like? (is this your 10th job in 10 years?)
2. Are you battling any addiction? (Many times it is all they can get because of their addictions - not a job problem but a personal issue)
3. What are you looking for? (I have found that there are many jobs, just that people don’t want to do that particular job)
4. Is this something that life threw a curve ball at you or is this something you have created yoruself

Or sometimes someone is of a woefully un-and-under employed demograph. Like those of us with Autism face great difficulty when it comes to employment.
There's alsi the reality people aren't actually as good judges if character as they think. I shouldn't struggle getting a job like I do, but that's how it goes. Amd because I'm autistic people want to stereotype me as good on computers and programming. But that's a stereotype, lots of us aren't good at those things but excell by leaps and bounds in the areas we have taken to (such as Eminem's autistic word play helping him dominate the rap genre).