Please Define "Religion"

[MikeF]

Does that define religion?,I think not.

You had suggested the definition of Religion to be an easy to use conduit for whatever ones aims are. I was just curious if Religion applied to any aim or goal under the sun or if there was a specific subset of aims that one would consider to be Religion. If it would be a specific subset, what distinguishes an aim under Religion as opposed to some other type of aim?

 

[dybmh]

My faith (belief) or as found at Isaiah 29:13 _______________

My friend, please explain how this verse is related to "a bias opposed to tradition". If you need to zoom out to include other verses in the chapter, be my guest.

Thank you,

 

[rational experiences]

Religion. From Religare to bind.

A human man men agreement.

Built science buildings temples on mountains. Built temples on ground circuit with pyramid technology.

His word of God symbols a babbling language only about pretend theories in a mans symbol language of man's explanations.... to test experiment what first isn't occurring as his thesis. Machines position only.

By his human man men agreed words. Thesis God cold first changed to hot satanic reactions.

To gain dust conversions of grounds natural mass.

Law God earths first natural. Highest by natural law.

Man proves by his evil transmitters he kept cooled by clouds mass that they caused clouds mass to change...it began to fall out.

He continued as greedy man I pretend I'm a man god by owning conjured powers of God as Satanism.

Not what was discussed after. A testimony about attack only. Men of God science only practicing AI satanisms.

Nearly burnt all life to death by their religion practice. As life isn't a clouds mass.

We only lived inside holy waters.

They took our life and murdered it just to be allowed to convert ground mass. Protected on ground biological by presence of the amount of clouds mass above.

Religion.

Temple blew up.

They rebuilt temple as a church type design for healing sound therapy resonating only.

Church by type versus temple history was built in cellular defence healing venue versus man's satanic beast dust converting men. Typified why a temple was no longer accepted as a holy building or holy human term.

Pretend science today is acted out in ceremonial use of implements themes that machines once were actually in use of....such as striking rods.

Theism of human science doesn't exist first...no thing is human science as presence of all things is natural first.

As men named all things by men's word first. Then changed heavens. Men lost rational conscious mind by their designed transmitted constant machine theories only. Part of origin human consciousness was destroyed.

Men then thought men's words owned why created creation existed as any type introduced human design is now a part of man's used memory.

As beds only humans lay on...yet it's in God science theories.

No science existed first the human warning. And religion was predicted by human men and it's practice the machine will kill you all. It's machine ceremony reactive.

Babies use father mother first memories. They taught as our first parents they came out of the eternal as a once only history. Only human sex owns any life living today as a natural science status.

Scientist human wrong in the beginning. Scientist human wrong at our end.

Legal human laws implemented after rich greedy man's historic satanic temple science attacks.

Human legal position ignored totally today. Doing machine experiments in heavens on human life.

Is virtually first theist science position pretending no humans legal rights exist...just as they did in scientific temple beginnings. Exact warning...no human rights all laws ignored.

As small body human bio cells only. It's taken baby humans a long time to realise the two origin human parents teaching.

As we only came from microbial memory as newly born human created by sex.

 

[paarsurrey]

A metaphysical vehicle that provides the sense of one's relationship with the rest of the universe, and hence how one operates in it.

(so vague as to include atheism. Sorry)

What religion or no-religion "zn" stand for, please?
If it is a religion then, is the above definition of religion given in the revealed/core book of one's religion, please? Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Religion... a controlling and money-making scam (With some exceptions)

What about one's own " Religion: Humanist ", please?

Regards

 

[rational experiences]

A natural human never lied.
A theist human always lied as they identified self sacrifice first was involved in suns star mass disintegrated hit cold gas removal to particles above.

Ground dusts not changing in that moment.

Origin lie owned used forced upon natural life told you are not cannot argue my science. As it was only human theories human designed.

Yet we can argue natural human rights position natural laws are first.

Legal human position no man is God natural human legal position. Always was. Theists religious think we were arguing against the creator of man science God themes. Hence were not allowed said non intelligence.

Stuck in a human science self possession thinker theist.

Why self possession by satanisms causes was also a proven human study as humans did it to humans.

As no human was ever evil. Only theories were evil whilst you weren't changed first loving spiritual.

Cloud mass not heavens constant. Known.
Heavens is constant in two forms extremely cold extremely hot balances.

Only a machine design is fixed constant only the reaction is fixed constant.

Wrong machine tried to blow up...missed the experimental direct proof you're wrong....as science is one only first machine.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Why make Religion synonymous with duty when we can simply say duty?

That is what we do in Hinduism - 'dharma'. For religion, we use the word 'mata' - opinion or 'pantha' - way.

 

[rational experiences]

If I said to a human sit in silence.

You can still talk in your head.

So don't talk in your head.

You don't.

Proving no theory by a human is real.

Pretty basic simple advice versus babbling incoherent symbol language of humans taught just for science a practice only.

Practice human ceremony was first scientists with machines.

As life natural isn't a ceremony it's survival. If you can be rational meaning not against self a human as one the species human.

If you discuss a type in mass you are not mass.

Pretty basic..I can't be nothing I can't be space I can't be light I can't be heavens mass I can't be any mass a planet mass owns.

I'm only a human.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The fact that you recognize and use terms like secular and religious signals to me that there is something there that can be differentiated, and as such, it is perfectly fine to differentiate. Secular and religious beliefs may share properties and characteristics, however, if there are elements that are not shared it is appropriate to make a distinction and create the separate categories. Just as we can distinguish Marxism from Secular Humanism, from Nationalism, etc, we can distinguish Religion from things we consider not-Religion.

You refer to Religion as myth and imply secular ideologies are also myth. I would push back on this. We create many abstract social constructs and conventions, but to my mind and as is seen in common usage, we do not treat the word myth as being synonymous with abstract social construct. An example would be the abstract construct of money in which pieces of metal and paper are agreed to represent certain monetary values. This abstract system of money is not a myth. Myth would refer to a different kind of abstract social construction with different elements and role in society.

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Definitions
Atheism is the comprehensive world view of persons who are free from theism and have freed themselves of supernatural beliefs altogether. It is predicated on ancient Greek Materialism.

Atheism involves the mental attitude that unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason and aims at establishing a life-style and ethical outlook verifiable by experience and the scientific method, independent of all arbitrary assumptions of authority and creeds.

Materialism declares that the cosmos is devoid of immanent conscious purpose; that it is governed by its own inherent, immutable, and impersonal laws; that there is no supernatural interference in human life; that humankind, finding the resources within themselves, can and must create their own destiny. It teaches that we must prize our life on earth and strive always to improve it. It holds that human beings are capable of creating a social system based on reason and justice. Materialism’s ‘faith’ is in humankind and their ability to transform the world culture by their own efforts. This is a commitment that is, in its very essence, life-asserting. It considers the struggle for progress as a moral obligation that is impossible without noble ideas that inspire us to bold, creative works. Materialism holds that our potential for good and more fulfilling cultural development is, for all practical purposes, unlimited."
Our Vision

That is in effect a myth.
It makes several claims about the everyday world which is without evidence and it is clearly moral and holds a vision without evidence about what it means to be human,

 

[RestlessSoul]

Being generous and glossing over the rest, could you perhaps refer to an entire peoples less dismissively via "Aboriginal Australians" or even "Indigenous Australians"? The above is just... incredibly dismissive and racist.

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To the topic, Religion is nothing more than a structured and organized system of worship centered around a community, rather than the individual, and are typically characterized by doctrine and dogma, as well as an annual calendar of observances and holy days.

I thought he was referring to Rolf Harris tbh.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

To the topic, Religion is nothing more than a structured and organized system of worship centered around a community, rather than the individual, and are typically characterized by doctrine and dogma, as well as an annual calendar of observances and holy days.

That applies to more than the supernatural.

 

[England my lionheart]

You had suggested the definition of Religion to be an easy to use conduit for whatever ones aims are. I was just curious if Religion applied to any aim or goal under the sun or if there was a specific subset of aims that one would consider to be Religion. If it would be a specific subset, what distinguishes an aim under Religion as opposed to some other type of aim?

Power.

 

[Altfish]

What about one's own " Religion: Humanist ", please?

Regards

Firstly, it isn't a religion.
Secondly Humanism UK is NOT wealthy and doesn't own thousands of pieces of real estate.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In the interest of not derailing Please Define "Spiritual", I'm starting a new thread on how one defines "religion."

It was suggested in that thread that there are different understandings of what "religion" means. I want to put that to the test here.

Please provide your understanding of what the word "religion" means.

The way I would define it is:
Those belief systems that involve the supernatural, which are believed on faith instead of rational evidence. Usually they'll also include dogma's and rituals in context of the supernatural beliefs.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is in effect a myth.
It makes several claims about the everyday world which is without evidence and it is clearly moral and holds a vision without evidence about what it means to be human,

Don't understand this. Some clarification, if you please.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The pagan Hindus are going to church in their own way. The Australian didgeridoos-ers are going to church in their own way. And we are generous and open minded in allowing that all such different ways of life are valuable by calling them 'Religion'. But time passes and the use of the word becomes cliche.

Yeah, Hindu pagans go to their temples (we do not call them churches), but if you add Gods and Goddesses, books and rituals, then it becomes a religion.

Usually there is a head honcho with a divine hotline to God telling us what we ought to be doing to please God.
I suppose you can call something a religion without involving divine authority, but that is how I think about.
Religion needs someone in place with divine authority.

We (Hindus) do not have a head honcho with a divine hotline.
Hinduism can be without any 'divine authaurity'. Books are guides, but one may have one's own views about things. Not going by Vedas (which most Hindus have no idea of) or Gita (which a few might have read), would not make a Hindu into a non-Hindu.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes, but you seem to be skipping over my point. Simple question, yes or no, can a person be religious without commitment?

I would say yes.

If not, are there any other required aspects/elements more important than commitment?

Yes: community and identity.

If a person identifies as a member of a religious community and, in turn, the other members recognize that person as a member, then they're part of the religion... i.e. they're religious.

I'm proposing that commitment far and away is the most important element, and because of that, the entire descriptor is dependent on it.

Religious commitment is only as important as a specific religious community decides it is.

Your personal experience may be valid for your own personal religious community, but it's not the be-all amd end-all of religion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Don't understand this. Some clarification, if you please.

You don't understand how that is problematic:
"... Atheism involves the mental attitude that unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason and aims at establishing a life-style and ethical outlook verifiable by experience and the scientific method, independent of all arbitrary assumptions of authority and creeds."

It is basically a claim to an objective moral system based on that reason, experience and science can solve moral problems.

Further this: "Atheism is the comprehensive world view of persons who are free from theism and have freed themselves of supernatural beliefs altogether. It is predicated on ancient Greek Materialism. ..." is not science and there is no evidence for the metaphysical position.

 

[Colt]

In the interest of not derailing Please Define "Spiritual", I'm starting a new thread on how one defines "religion."

It was suggested in that thread that there are different understandings of what "religion" means. I want to put that to the test here.

Please provide your understanding of what the word "religion" means.

The realm of religion is an inexplicable byproduct of the human response to spiritual gravity.

 

[Mock Turtle]

"...
Definitions
Atheism is the comprehensive world view of persons who are free from theism and have freed themselves of supernatural beliefs altogether. It is predicated on ancient Greek Materialism.

Atheism involves the mental attitude that unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason and aims at establishing a life-style and ethical outlook verifiable by experience and the scientific method, independent of all arbitrary assumptions of authority and creeds.

Materialism declares that the cosmos is devoid of immanent conscious purpose; that it is governed by its own inherent, immutable, and impersonal laws; that there is no supernatural interference in human life; that humankind, finding the resources within themselves, can and must create their own destiny. It teaches that we must prize our life on earth and strive always to improve it. It holds that human beings are capable of creating a social system based on reason and justice. Materialism’s ‘faith’ is in humankind and their ability to transform the world culture by their own efforts. This is a commitment that is, in its very essence, life-asserting. It considers the struggle for progress as a moral obligation that is impossible without noble ideas that inspire us to bold, creative works. Materialism holds that our potential for good and more fulfilling cultural development is, for all practical purposes, unlimited."
Our Vision

That is in effect a myth.
It makes several claims about the everyday world which is without evidence and it is clearly moral and holds a vision without evidence about what it means to be human,

So American Atheists rule? I think that is not true, just as any other belief that claims to represent 'the whole' of such isn't either.