What I have is "the state of being free from danger or threat."
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Please define the word at security 1 Thessalonians 5:3
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Awkward. I meant to write the word security at 1 Thessalonians 5:3
My point? So glad you asked!
The only time a person is truely free from danger or threat is when he or she is dead.
There's more.....
The only time a person is truely free from danger or threat is when he or she is dead.
There's more.....
LOL. Thanks! You seem to be new....you have not put me on ignore yet
People might say I'm imagining it but I am not.There is much more stuff to say about peace and security.
There is more to say about what I believe the true meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:3 is. I have not found any believer who will reconsider it's meaning. No, not one.
I have seen the scriptures like a chain. The meaning becomes very clear if you are able to allow connections where there are connections.
For instance. The refusal to reconsider long held beliefs is called "custom". That word can be found in this scripture found at Hebrews 10:24,25 From the old New World Translation: And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together as some have the custom....
For instance. The refusal to reconsider long held beliefs is called "custom". That word can be found in this scripture found at Hebrews 10:24,25 From the old New World Translation: And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together as some have the custom....
Be on alert to the reality this thread is not about life after death.
OK. In this context I mean gone. But even if it means somewhere else it still can apply if you have been a good boy.
The theme of the thread is security NOT death.
I will say my peace and get it over with without teasing (hey there's a plan!).
I shouldn't talk to people who believe it is nonsense which is most people, I'm supposing.
I hope the people who believe the scripture but think it means the nations will say it will reconsider who says it.
I shouldn't talk to people who believe it is nonsense which is most people, I'm supposing.
I hope the people who believe the scripture but think it means the nations will say it will reconsider who says it.
I shall list the possibilities.
1. It doesn't matter who says it
2. It doesn't matter what it means
3. The nations say it before they are destroyed
4. Religion is saying it
5. It doesn't mean anything
I do not know if there are more possibilities
1. It doesn't matter who says it
2. It doesn't matter what it means
3. The nations say it before they are destroyed
4. Religion is saying it
5. It doesn't mean anything
I do not know if there are more possibilities
I believe the precepts of religion are saying it. The scripture is about believers not unbelievers imo.
I can only speak about what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe it means but I think their interpretion is shared by other religious groups. I can talk about it from the pov of the Jehovah's Witnesses because I was and am sort of one.
They believe it is an actually prophesy of something real in the future.
They believe it is an actually prophesy of something real in the future.
Nothing? OK I can live with that.
There is something very wrong with an accusation of the cry of peace and security against the nations.
Two reasons really. Security is not a real thing so anyone believing in it is stupid. To say the nations will say it is calling them stupid. Also it is prophesied (not in The Bible) by men that it will be a false cry. In other words they will claim claim peace and security but it won't be real and (of course) they will know it's not real. That is calling them liars.
A whole lot of people by believing it is prophesied the nations will make the cry "peace and security" are calling the leaders of the world stupid liars. (troll thought)....which isn't nice and not Christian at all.
Christians are calling the world's leaders stupid liars and they haven't even done anything yet.
There is something very wrong with an accusation of the cry of peace and security against the nations.
Two reasons really. Security is not a real thing so anyone believing in it is stupid. To say the nations will say it is calling them stupid. Also it is prophesied (not in The Bible) by men that it will be a false cry. In other words they will claim claim peace and security but it won't be real and (of course) they will know it's not real. That is calling them liars.
A whole lot of people by believing it is prophesied the nations will make the cry "peace and security" are calling the leaders of the world stupid liars. (troll thought)....which isn't nice and not Christian at all.
Christians are calling the world's leaders stupid liars and they haven't even done anything yet.
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Is it possible the leaders World has are a product of misguided belief? Christians are suppose to pray for anyone in authority. But what we really have is belief all the leaders are doomed to a swift death. There is no hope for them so why pray?
The NWT says "sudden destruction will be instantly upon them" but there is one too many words there meaning sudden.
The Greek goes this way; for when they might say peace and security then suddenly upon them comes destruction....and no not shall they "escape". I am no Greek scholar, but I suspect the verb is very wrong there. But I have no one to talk to so I wiill never know.
What does it mean? If someone insists on believing a lie (something not true) they are spiritually blinded. A blind person cannot see what is coming. They will not know when destruction or if destruction comes because they are unaware. That is what I believe "suddenly upon them destruction comes". If you cannot see something coming it comes "sudden".
It is not a prophesy of what will be. A prophesy by The Holy Spirit MUST be. It is a warning about a common human condition. An illness will not be treated if the ill person is not aware it can be healed and seeks healing.
The Greek goes this way; for when they might say peace and security then suddenly upon them comes destruction....and no not shall they "escape". I am no Greek scholar, but I suspect the verb is very wrong there. But I have no one to talk to so I wiill never know.
What does it mean? If someone insists on believing a lie (something not true) they are spiritually blinded. A blind person cannot see what is coming. They will not know when destruction or if destruction comes because they are unaware. That is what I believe "suddenly upon them destruction comes". If you cannot see something coming it comes "sudden".
It is not a prophesy of what will be. A prophesy by The Holy Spirit MUST be. It is a warning about a common human condition. An illness will not be treated if the ill person is not aware it can be healed and seeks healing.
ChrisH
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