Please Explain: "Gay Christian"

[dgirl1986]

That would be your choice.

Not so much a choice as an unplanned response. The same way a man would find it difficult to befriend an oppressor.

 

[Thruve]

We all sin.

I am not saying I am without sin. But I don't try sweeping my sins under the rug. I confess my sins to God for His forgiveness, and He helps me overcome them.

Then because you lust after women, let alone if you act on it, you too are calling your mindset dysfunctional.

 

[Sonofason]

Isnt looking at a woman with lust a sin also.

Actually in the following verse, John does not actually call it sin, but I would have no trouble accepting all forms of lust as being sinful.

The Apostle John said:

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." (1John 2:15-17)

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

Exodus 20:14 You shall not commit adultery.

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So I suppose the answer to your question is maybe. It certainly is not of God, and you certainly can't take it with you to heaven. And it certainly can lead to sin.

 

[Sonofason]

They may be worded slightly differently but they all have the same meaning. It does not mean something else just because you want it to mean something else.

If my partner is of able mind, is not emotionally/mentally/physically abused or manipulated and willingly consents to our relationship then she is in no way a victim.

Then please explain why you felt compelled to supply another definition, if all the definitions for a word mean the same thing.

You have your opinion, and I have mine.

 

[dgirl1986]

Then please explain why you felt compelled to supply another definition, if all the definitions for a word mean the same thing.

You have your opinion, and I have mine.

To clarify the definition of the word of course. You manipulated the meaning to apply it in a way that benefited your arguement.

 

[Sonofason]

Not so much a choice as an unplanned response. The same way a man would find it difficult to befriend an oppressor.

"A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:" (Proverbs 1:5)

 

[dgirl1986]

"A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:" (Proverbs 1:5)

Decided to post a random verse?

 

[Sonofason]

Then because you lust after women, let alone if you act on it, you too are calling your mindset dysfunctional.

If I were lusting after women, then I would be committing sin, and sin is the result of a dysfunctional mindset and leads to a dysfunctional relationship with God.

 

[Sonofason]

To clarify the definition of the word of course. You manipulated the meaning to apply it in a way that benefited your arguement.

I simply stated the definition. It applied perfectly. No manipulation necessary.

 

[Thruve]

If I were lusting after women, then I would be committing sin, and sin is the result of a dysfunctional mindset and leads to a dysfunctional relationship with God.

Stop lying with the "If I were". Now, presume my child!

 

[dgirl1986]

If I were lusting after women, then I would be committing sin, and sin is the result of a dysfunctional mindset and leads to a dysfunctional relationship with God.

Why not focus on your relationship with god before trying to dictate others relationships with god?

 

[Sonofason]

Decided to post a random verse?

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were exchanging words of wisdom.

 

[dgirl1986]

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were exchanging words of wisdom.

It wasnt related to what I had said from my point of view.

 

[Sonofason]

Stop lying with the "If I were". Now, presume my child!

You may draw whatever conclusions you like. I am indifferent to them.

 

[Sonofason]

Why not focus on your relationship with god before trying to dictate others relationships with god?

Yes, that is what we should all be doing.

 

[Sonofason]

It wasnt related to what I had said from my point of view.

Maybe you should consider a different point of view.

 

[Ingledsva]

And how many little girls and women have been molested and raped?


1 in 3 girls and 1 in 5 boys is sexually assaulted before the age of 18.


61% of all sexual assaults occur before the victim reaches the age of 18;


78 women are raped each hour in America


Sexual Assault Info - The Women's Center, Inc.


SO - if we believe your model - why don't we have a predominantly gay world - with just a few heterosexuals pumping out babies in a dwindling world population???


The answer: - because your model, isn't a correct one!

So do I....

I'm just presenting this study as an argument and speaking from experience.



First of all, it's not MY model. I didn't conduct this study.


ING - Your model, as in the one you presented to us.



And I clearly stated that I was just presenting a new argument.

Second of all, the reasoning for WHY we don't have a predominantly gay world is this:

You left out ONE vital statistic in your little spew of numbers.

Most women are raped by MEN...

So obviously that wouldn't have a strong influence on their sexuality...


ING - and there is where you make your mistake - for the same model tells us lesbians must be raped and mistreated by men, thus turning to women. I'm sure you have heard this idea. Obviously some on both sides have been, but it does not make them gay. This is proven by the fact that far more males and females are raped as children, - then the number of gays & lesbians, etc.


Or nearly as much as a man that was raped or molested by another man.

And there are more men molested by men than woman....


ING - That is incorrect.


There are NOT more women being molested by woman than men...


ING - See above.


Second of all, if only 1 in 5 men are molested and 1 in 3 women...

Why on Earth would you even think that would add up to a predominantly gay world?

Even if it made ALL of those victims gay, we still wouldn't live in a predominantly gay world.

Math anyone?

**Numbers don't lie. You can't argue with statistics...

**Much like I'm not arguing with your numbers. I'm just arguing with your lack of basic math skills.

Do the math on the numbers - how many breeding pairs are required in a sustainable arrangement?


Think about it. One of every three women would be gay leaving two of those four remaining men without heterosexual mates. Chaos would ensue. Fighting for the few remaining heterosexual women.


But this is just speculation using the model, which is shown to be wrong by the fact that we don't have the numbers of gay people that the model stats would require to be correct, - using the data - 1 in 3 women, 1 in 5 men.



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[Ingledsva]

However, everything else is correct.


I went back and checked to make sure.


You have no facts to stand on.

Facts are not always required to know the truth. However,
It is a fact that Jesus lived.
It is a fact that men have written words that they claim have come from God.
It is a fact that God exists, this I know from personal experience.
It is a fact that I believe that the God I know inspired the writing of the Bible.
It is a fact that the Bible exists.
It is a fact that many people experience God as I do.
It is a fact that the Holy Spirit guides believers in truth.
It is a fact that two men cannot procreate together.


ING - We aren't discussing Bible myth.


It is a fact that sodomy is disgusting.


ING - I don't find it disgusting - So obviously it is NOT a "fact!"


Honestly, I can go on and on.

I have plenty of evidence to support my belief that homosexuality is a sin.


ING - So where is it? You are a Christian, so show me where Jesus says homosexuality is a sin? He doesn't! He must not have thought it very important.


Okay, let me give you one more so you don't think I'm a total jerk.


ING - I do not think you are a jerk, - just misguided by Christian "tradition" - rather then what the NT actually says.


It is a fact that homosexuals are human beings who must be treated with dignity and respect.

But that doesn't mean we have to let them dictate to the rest of the world what is good and proper. I won't, and I don't.

They are not dictating. They expect, and disserve, the same rights heterosexuals enjoy.

It would be rather ridiculous - would it not - if gays found heterosexual sex "disgusting," and therefor heterosexuals were banned from sex and love, and treated as crap by gays, as gays are by heterosexuals today?


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[Ingledsva]

So... when do all these "asexual" people "learn" how to be heterosexual? And how can some people in the same cultural context and similar familial backgrounds, "learn" how to be homosexual? And, pray tell, identify this "teacher of homosexuality" so that we may avoid it!!!

Parenthetically, I find it odd that you're so sure about the "psychological dysfunction" thing, when the community of psychological experts agree that homosexuality is not a "dysfunction."

Well, it's you, and all other advocates for Satan.

Sorry, the community of psychological experts are also advocates for Satan. They just say what you want to hear.

MY! MY!


In truth - THAT - should get you banned for a few days.


But it was probably missed.





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[Sonofason]

They are not dictating. They expect, and disserve, the same rights heterosexuals enjoy.

It would be rather ridiculous - would it not - if gays found heterosexual sex "disgusting," and therefor heterosexuals were banned from sex and love, and treated as crap by gays, as gays are by heterosexuals today?


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I've said all I need to say. I see no need to repeat myself.

Thanks for you time.