Please tell me this isn't the case. If it is I'm going to cry

[savethedreams]

I don't blame you for being upset- I find a lot of that New Age stuff to be horrendous garbage as well.

I'm not upset, but I'm quite happy in getting closer to my beliefs and what I don't believe in. I don't deny new age technique or mysticism , but i can't afford them or won't do that.

So its either go back to serving YAHWEH or be atheist/agnostic.

 

[xkatz]

I'm not upset, but I'm quite happy in getting closer to my beliefs and what I don't believe in. I don't deny new age technique or mysticism , but i can't afford them or won't do that.

Could you elaborate please?

So its either go back to serving YAHWEH or be atheist/agnostic.

Well, G-d isn't necessarily what you think He is. Maybe you should you look at this thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/judaism-dir/105490-judaisms-10-great-ideas.html Also, if you don't want to follow the Abrahamic concept of G-d, you, yet don't want to be agnostic/atheist, you probably want to look at Sikhism, Hinduism/Sanatana Dharma, Shinto (though I personally wouldn't recommend this), and Mahayana Buddhism (ie Tibetan and Pure Land). Those 4 would probably be your best bets. Also, have you taken the the Belief-O-Matic quiz?

 

[savethedreams]

Could you elaborate please?

Astrology , wiccan magic books, crystal balls, leaves, magic potions, new age meditation classes etc all cost money. I very highly against idolatry in all forms, I don't like materialism I keep a very simple life and want my home, and have my room very small and simple as possible. A religion should have me be able to or have to go to the store to buy materials.

Well, G-d isn't necessarily what you think He is. Maybe you should you look at this thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/judaism-dir/105490-judaisms-10-great-ideas.html Also, if you don't want to follow the Abrahamic concept of G-d, you, yet don't want to be agnostic/atheist, you probably want to look at Sikhism, Hinduism/Sanatana Dharma, Shinto (though I personally wouldn't recommend this), and Mahayana Buddhism (ie Tibetan and Pure Land). Those 4 would probably be your best bets. Also, have you taken the the Belief-O-Matic quiz?

Well my family is JW, I grew up in that, and have islamic and judaism friends. The 'true' books of those torah, quran and bible i found lots of wisdom in, but have certain issues, but i cast them a side. and have been looking for all non- abrahamic religions and came up short.

Sikhism/Hindusim/Dharma all believe in reincarnation of some sort. I have not found any school of thought that hasn't.

Yes I have taken the belief o matic, and 3 question i'm unsure about about god and creation of the earth. Besides that all the 20 question i know of...usually my answer turns out to be: Unitarian, new age (smh), quakers, pagan or buddhist.

 

[xkatz]

Astrology , wiccan magic books, crystal balls, leaves, magic potions, new age meditation classes etc all cost money. I very highly against idolatry in all forms, I don't like materialism I keep a very simple life and want my home, and have my room very small and simple as possible. A religion should have me be able to or have to go to the store to buy materials.

Ok then Neopaganism is probably not for you.

Well my family is JW, I grew up in that, and have islamic and judaism friends. The 'true' books of those torah, quran and bible i found lots of wisdom in, but have certain issues, but i cast them a side. and have been looking for all non- abrahamic religions and came up short.

Sikhism/Hindusim/Dharma all believe in reincarnation of some sort. I have not found any school of thought that hasn't.

Yes I have taken the belief o matic, and 3 question i'm unsure about about god and creation of the earth. Besides that all the 20 question i know of...usually my answer turns out to be: Unitarian, new age (smh), quakers, pagan or buddhist.

Ok then as I said before, Buddhism would probably be your best bet, as you could argue that the idea of impermanence goes against reincarnation. Also, while people do sometimes have Buddha statues, it is definitely not a requirement and Buddhism and aniconism are compatible. Additionally, if you can find an authentic teacher/Sangha you can probably get FREE meditation and spiritual lessons. However, Buddhism being all about meditation is somewhat of a misconception, a lot of it has to do with the psyche.

Anyways, I am curious- Why are you opposed to reincarnation?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Many Left Handed Path religions don't. Some do, but a good number of them don't.

 

[savethedreams]

Ok then Neopaganism is probably not for you.



Ok then as I said before, Buddhism would probably be your best bet, as you could argue that the idea of impermanence goes against reincarnation. Also, while people do sometimes have Buddha statues, it is definitely not a requirement and Buddhism and aniconism are compatible. Additionally, if you can find an authentic teacher/Sangha you can probably get FREE meditation and spiritual lessons. However, Buddhism being all about meditation is somewhat of a misconception, a lot of it has to do with the psyche.

Anyways, I am curious- Why are you opposed to reincarnation?

but doesn't buddhism believe in reincarnation, i had a long debate about this with an actual buddhist girl who said all buddhism to believe in reincarnation.

NOw, i don't believe in reincarnation because I don't believe my body (carnate) can 're' enter into another body/shell/soul/object/animal etc.

 

[xkatz]

but doesn't buddhism believe in reincarnation, i had a long debate about this with an actual buddhist girl who said all buddhism to believe in reincarnation.

Then she's wrong. As I said, you don't have to believe in reincarnation and you can argue how it is in fact contradictory to the concept of impermanence. Also, many Buddhists don't believe in the idea of a soul, and reincarnation would virtually be impossible if there was no soul to leave/enter the body.

NOw, i don't believe in reincarnation because I don't believe my body (carnate) can 're' enter into another body/shell/soul/object/animal etc.

Ok fair enough.

 

[savethedreams]

Many Left Handed Path religions don't. Some do, but a good number of them don't.

Do members of the LHP do any new age materials, or crystal balls or magic or occultism? If so I just naturally but that under the new age/mysticism/occult/magic category..which is big NO for me.

 

[savethedreams]

Then she's wrong. As I said, you don't have to believe in reincarnation and you can argue how it is in fact contradictory to the concept of impermanence. Also, many Buddhists don't believe in the idea of a soul, and reincarnation would virtually be impossible if there was no soul to leave/enter the body.



Ok fair enough.

So for non-abrhamic religins (not casting them aside as bad, they will be number 1, and most likely what is deep in my heart)

the only one, is buddhist... I will look that up thank you. I knew there had to be something non-reincarnation/rebirth or non-new age/mystics/occultism/magic

 

[xkatz]

Do members of the LHP do any new age materials, or crystal balls or magic or occultism? If so I just naturally but that under the new age/mysticism/occult/magic category..which is big NO for me.

Some LHP groups use "magic" but it's not like the kind of magic you or I think of. I think "magic" has to do with the mind and thought in LHP AFAIK.

 

[savethedreams]

Some LHP groups use "magic" but it's not like the kind of magic you or I think of. I think "magic" has to do with the mind and thought in LHP AFAIK.

Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.

took that from a website, kinda goes well against my peace and love beliefs, its impossible for me to be selfish, all that is said here above i don't believe, no -magic i define magic as using tools or the mind to manipulate matter to do what you want at will. Magic with/or without tools/objects is manipulation of what is, i'm highly against that.

 

[xkatz]

Took that from a website, kinda goes well against my peace and love beliefs, its impossible for me to be selfish, all that is said here above i don't believe, no -magic i define magic as using tools or the mind to manipulate matter to do what you want at will. Magic with/or without tools/objects is manipulation of what is, i'm highly against that.

Not all LHP groups believe in "magic" though. I would talk to various LHP'ers about their beliefs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do members of the LHP do any new age materials, or crystal balls or magic or occultism? If so I just naturally but that under the new age/mysticism/occult/magic category..which is big NO for me.

The New Age stuff is generally a no. But as for the Occult goes, some do, some don't, and some have it while it isn't seen as a supernatural happening. LeVay Satanism for example. The religion itself is mostly a live and let live philosophy combined with a drive to gratify the flesh. There are Occult rituals, but to some the purpose is solely for the purpose and gratification of the caster. Some denominations of Luciferianism have the Occult, some don't.

 

[Requia]

Atheism or some 'theism' or more so Agnostic with me.

Its seems to me ALL religions besides non-abrahamic has a 'crystal ball' , or like does anything new age or containing forms of new age methods new or old including metaphysics, mysticism. I do believe it 'maybe' true but I would ever go to a shop to buy 'materials' for my religion, and I will never believe in reincarnation. So I mean my choices are limited and I didn't know....

I think this is the third time I've said this, but it bears repeating. New Age is all inclusive, it contains everything, Abrahamic religions, non Abrahamic religions, atheism, the works. There is literally nothing that is not included (or claimed to be included, misconceptions are frequent) in new agery. If you are looking for something not related to the new age movement, you need to find something that the new agers have never heard of.

You need to separate the new age stuff from the religions when they aren't being practiced by new agers. Especially if your problems are commercialism and reincarnation, which aren't involved in half the religions you mention.

 

[Smoke]

Astrology , wiccan magic books, crystal balls, leaves, magic potions, new age meditation classes etc all cost money. I very highly against idolatry in all forms, I don't like materialism I keep a very simple life and want my home, and have my room very small and simple as possible. A religion should have me be able to or have to go to the store to buy materials.

I agree, although I consider buying books an ordinary expense that goes along with having any interest in anything at all.

However, you shouldn't need a class -- certainly not a fee-based class -- to meditate. If you do feel you need personal instruction you can probably find somebody local to help you out for free. Buddhanet has online tips:

Buddhist Meditation: Insight Meditation Online, Vipassana Bhavana, Satipatthana, Mahasi Sayadaw, Chanmyay Sayadaw, Ven. Pannyavaro, Ven Sujiva, Patrick Kearney, Meditating in Burma, Australian Centres.

Yes I have taken the belief o matic, and 3 question i'm unsure about about god and creation of the earth. Besides that all the 20 question i know of...usually my answer turns out to be: Unitarian, new age (smh), quakers, pagan or buddhist.

Why don't you go around to different groups and see what you think?

Quaker Finder : Finding local Quakers & Quaker Meetings

World Buddhist Directory - Presented by BuddhaNet.Net

UUA: Find a Congregation

Online Pagan Directory

You'll find that all these groups are very diverse. If you don't like one pagan group, for instance, you still might like another one.

 

[Riverwolf]

but doesn't buddhism believe in reincarnation, i had a long debate about this with an actual buddhist girl who said all buddhism to believe in reincarnation.

Then that girl is wrong.

Have you heard of the Buddhist teaching of no-soul?

I'm going to recommend a book to you, and you should be able to get a copy at a library.

"What the Buddha Taught" by Walpola Rahula

It's short, but detailed. It details the only teachings of the Buddha that all schools can agree he taught.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

I'd say something like Asatru/Fyrnsidu could be included, if Paganism was allowed in the OP

 

[Willamena]

Astrology , wiccan magic books, crystal balls, leaves, magic potions, new age meditation classes etc all cost money.

Magic tea leaves cost a fortune, but if you can get it cheap it might be worth your while (don't forget the paper to wrap it, too).