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Please try to disprove anything I believe.

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I believe the universe is made solely of energy.
Taylor, I hate to jump into this conversation so late in the game, but I might wish to counter-argue that claim, depending on your answers.

As noted on another recent thread, energy is a quantity. It's value is the product to two other quantities--the quantity that represents the mass of a system times the quantity 89,875,517, 681,800 m2/s2. Even if one defines "energy" as "capacity to do work," it's still an abstract concept. Energy is not an object that has spatial extension. Energy does not supply spatial extension, or time. Thus, on this basis alone, it seems that the universe has to be "made of" something in addition to energy.

Does entropy exist? Energy is not entropy.

Is energy conscious or able to experience? Does energy somehow create conscious experience? There don't seem to be any properties of energy that can logically produce conscious experience, nor any theory of such, yet some of us find it hard to deny having conscious experience.

I take it that the purpose of your OP was to stimulate a debate about your beliefs. How does energy begin to act purposefully?

I believe the universe is eternal.
By this, do you mean that the universe was without a beginning, has an infinite past? If so, then why hasn't it reached a state of maximum entropy?
 

Kueid

Avant-garde
2) I define a personal god as a deity that is not simply a part of nature.

Wow. That's explain everything. How about outside of nature?

Belief without evidence.

Do you believe that? With evidence? How come a person can believe in something without evidence? Is that even possible? Do you believe that's possible?

No, it is the same energy that we work with in the sciences.

Another superb explanation. I don't even know what to say next.... I think you were trying to say "stuff", no?

No, I am using it as a word to describe all of existence.

Can something NOT exist?

Funny thing, I heard a guy say the same thing about the word "God" the other day.

In most individuals.

How much is "most"? Are you saying the majority?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
There is only one truth about something.

However there are very few things we are sure are the truth so therefore we use logic to tell what is most probable to be the truth.

Gotcha. I've gotten the impression that you believe that, but didn't want to make an assumption.

The real meat of what I'm working to learn here has to do with the follow-ups, though:

  1. Do you have "proof" that there is only one truth about something? Put another way, how do you support your belief that there is only one correct/right truth? To use an example, take a piece of literature. How do you go about proving there is only one true/correct interpretation of that piece of literature?
  2. Do you believe your opinion on the nature of truth is universal? In other words, do you feel those who disagree with you should correct their perspective to your way of seeing things? If you're familiar with the term "exclusivist," I'm basically asking if you consider yourself an exclusivist.

 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Gotcha. I've gotten the impression that you believe that, but didn't want to make an assumption.

The real meat of what I'm working to learn here has to do with the follow-ups, though:

  1. Do you have "proof" that there is only one truth about something? Put another way, how do you support your belief that there is only one correct/right truth? To use an example, take a piece of literature. How do you go about proving there is only one true/correct interpretation of that piece of literature?
  2. Do you believe your opinion on the nature of truth is universal? In other words, do you feel those who disagree with you should correct their perspective to your way of seeing things? If you're familiar with the term "exclusivist," I'm basically asking if you consider yourself an exclusivist.

1. The law of non-contradiction.

2. I think it is due to point one.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No energy is eternal.
So the annihilation of energy, the vanishing of particles (and with them potential energy), the violations of the conservation of energy, etc.?
1. Incorrect, information can be destroyed by burning a book or causing amnesia.
Check out My Battle with Stephen Hawking. It's a popular book by a founder of string theory who overcame the single greatest threat to the conservation of information, which is THE conservation law in modern physics (as matter and energy can be "conserved" by mathematical manipulations, which is what just about all systems in quantum theory/particle physics are anyway (or at least the "physical system" is related to the world in an unknown way and represented by a ket-vector in an complex, sometimes infinite-dimensional mathematical space which allows us to fudge things in order to ensure that e.g., "naked charm" is conserved or that flavor is, let alone energy).
Also, you should read the popular physics text
Vedral, V. (2010). Decoding reality: the universe as quantum information. Oxford University Press.

Still waiting for proof that the universe is information, our perception of it is information but not the universe itself.
"the claim that the universe computes is literally true. In fact, the scientific demonstration that all atoms and elementary particles register bits of information, and that every time two particles collide those bits are transformed and processed, was given at the end of the nineteenth century...It was not until the mid twentieth century, however, with the work of Claude Shannon and others, that the interpretation of entropy as information became clear. More recently, in the 1990s, researchers showed just how atoms and elementary particles compute at the most fundamental level...That is, not only does the universe register and process information at its most fundamental level, as was discovered in the nineteenth century, it is literally a computer..."
Lloyd, S. (2014). The computational universe. In P. Davies & N. H. Gregersen (Eds.). Information and the Nature of Reality. Cambridge University Press.
Also, here is the abstract to a paper I have attached:
"All physical systems register and process information. The laws of physics determine the amount of information that a physical system can register (number of bits) and the number of elementary logic operations that a system can perform (number of ops). The Universe is a physical system. The amount of information that the Universe can register and the number of elementary operations that it can have performed over its history are calculated. The Universe can have performed 10^120 ops on 10^90 bits ( 10^120 bits including gravitational degrees of freedom)."
Lloyd, S. (2002). Computational capacity of the universe. Physical Review Letters, 88(23), 237901.
 

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Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
I do not believe that faith is a reliable means of gaining information or insight.

In my view faith is analoguous to putting one's eggs in one basket. When you don't even know what the basket looks like. Or where it is. Or when it is. Or why it is.

I also think that you need knowledge of the external reality to understand yourself in relation to it, thus it is a key ingredient in insight.

That being said: You can arrive to both through faith assuming you have the pieces of information already there to begin with. By this i mean, you could gain information or insight purely by accident. But it's technically possible.

I believe the universe is made solely of energy.

Technically, matter and energy are all the same(and even more literally everything is just particles). Therefore, not really, but kind of. The universe is solely made from whatever components that make it: And both matter and energy are not these components.

I believe the universe is eternal.

Time is not strictly linear so it is just as likely that it is not. There is enough evidence to suggest that it might be.

I believe that human morality is innate in most human beings.

I believe that morality comes from experiences of the external reality, such as parents, school, friends, and all the time in between. I believe the reason why it is similar between most people is because of culture. I do not believe that it is there at birth. I do believe some people however, refuse to or can't learn "standard" "accepted" "human morality". Psychopaths for example. Or me. I don't have morality. I believe that everything has a possible exception.
 
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