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Pledge of Allegence
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Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
I voted in favor of taking the phrase under God out of the pledge.
I'd think since we call our country the United States, taking God out of the pledge would just be testament to what unity we still have left.
Of course, I don't think anyone should be forced to say the pledge, either. Unfortunately, schools in my area have determined it to be insubordination, which I believe can lead to a child being suspended, expelled, or even arrested.
I'd think since we call our country the United States, taking God out of the pledge would just be testament to what unity we still have left.
Of course, I don't think anyone should be forced to say the pledge, either. Unfortunately, schools in my area have determined it to be insubordination, which I believe can lead to a child being suspended, expelled, or even arrested.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
It could be empty threats. Most of the time there is always someone in my class who doesn't stand, and they're usually threatened by the teacher. I guess if it came down to it the students could get away with it, but being threatened with going to jail sure provokes a kid.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
Pretty much. 
gnostic
The Lost One
That's not very likely to happen, Alaric. You are talking about Bush here, who think God told him to go to war in Iraq and that God gave him victory. Did God tell him how to win the peace? I think God left that one out.Alaric said:
As to the OP. This is something for Americans to debate about, but personally I think state and religion should remain separate. Too much headache to mix it.
So being an outsider, I am not going to vote on the poll.
retrorich
SUPER NOT-A-MOD
I am also an atheist, and I have a serious problem with the "under God" thing. Having these words in the pledge of allegiance implies that atheists are not "good" Americans--that we are not really a legitimate part of this "one nation, under God." (The same is true of the words "In God We Trust" on our money.) Going one step further, why do we need a pledge of allegiance in the first place? It should be assumed that all Americans are loyal to their country, unless they demonstrate otherwise. What does reciting a pledge prove? An American citizen who is plotting to commit terrorist acts against this country would have no problem reciting the pledge. That, and plenty of flag-waving, would only improve his/her patriotic disguise.Mr Spinkles said:
CaptainXeroid
Following Christ
One item of note...this thread had been dormant over a year when atheistaj resurrected it on Halloween 2005, and then lay in wait until last Tuesday when indecisive cookies!!! blew the dust off it.
Booko alluded to another thread(s), and I have posted my views on the subject more than once, so I pledge, Under God, not to rehash.
The Pledge of Allegiance is not going to change in our life times. No one in Congress is stupid enough to commit political suicide by proposing it, and if any court were to strike it down, the ensuing firestorm about 'liberal activist judges' would drive enough Democrats to join the Republicans who want a Constitutional Amendment 'protecting' the Pledge.
Booko alluded to another thread(s), and I have posted my views on the subject more than once, so I pledge, Under God, not to rehash.
The Pledge of Allegiance is not going to change in our life times. No one in Congress is stupid enough to commit political suicide by proposing it, and if any court were to strike it down, the ensuing firestorm about 'liberal activist judges' would drive enough Democrats to join the Republicans who want a Constitutional Amendment 'protecting' the Pledge.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I agree with Painted Wolf. Why pledge to a material symbol that can be burnt, torn, destroyed, and is very weak? Personally, I find the notion of pledging an allegence to a flag to be extremely materialistic and degrading.
RevOxley_501
Well-Known Member
Luke Wolf said:
i thoroughly agree with you--i stopped pledging about 6 months before 9-11, havent dont it since--it just feels wrong. So if underGod is taken out, i woudnt care--this nation is not meant to be Christian--so why pretend
Smoke
Done here.
Jehovah's Witnesses say that to pledge allegiance to a flag or a republic is idolatrous, and I agree with them completely on that point. Pledges and vows are also directly contrary to the teachings of Jesus. Isn't it interesting that the proponents of including God in the pledge are the people who imagine themselves to be carrying out Jesus' will?RevOxley_501 said:
I don't say the pledge for a number of reasons, but if there's to be a pledge, it ought to be, as Booko says, the pledge adopted by our Founding Fathers: none.
RevOxley_501
Well-Known Member
MidnightBlue said:
God forbid i be asked to fulfil a pledge to a country and a government that suddenly turns to tyranny ( i will point no fingers)--i stopped when i lost all pride in being amerikan, then i realized i never should have because its idolotry. I wont be alleigant to a country that starts wars over silly things
Malkav's Knight
Member
Booko said:
The thing is that "under God" wasnt originally in the pledge. It was added in the 50s to combat Communism. The Government added it to show that America wasnt like the "Godless" Commies.
To me the issue isnt a big issue. If it came down to a vote, i would vote to remove it because its intention is no longer valid. as far as im concerned, the US is a secular nation. Which is why I support the removal of any religious symbol from federal property.
