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Police and private cameras

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Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Truth in love said:
San Francisco passes legislation allowing police access to private surveillance cameras
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If the story is true and accurate, it's just yet another move by authoritarian Democrats* to indiscriminately invade personal liberties and freedoms and constutional rights.

The only time I wouldn't object is by and through proper channels through a warrant issued by a judge.

To have stormtroopers simply barrage into a private place demanding footage at ones will and behest is just pure totalitarianism.

*Givin democrats are the only political party completely running San Francisco.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
If the story is true and accurate, it's just yet another move by authoritarian Democrats* to indiscriminately invade personal liberties and freedoms and constutional rights.

The only time I wouldn't object is by and through proper channels through a warrant issued by a judge.

To have stormtroopers simply barrage into a private place demanding footage at ones will and behest is just pure totalitarianism.

*Givin democrats are the only political party completely running San Francisco.
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But conservatives love backing the blue, right?
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Anyway, back to the OP SF supervisors OK measure expanding police access to private surveillance cameras was my followup to use a site I have some confidence in.

Police will now be able to access non-city cameras with the owner's consent for live surveillance of large scale public events and investigations. It's a big loss for privacy and civil rights groups
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The proposal implemented as a one-year pilot program will allow police to monitor private video feeds within a 24-hour period in the following situations: during a life-threatening emergency, to redeploy during a mass event and during criminal investigations.

I'm on the side of privacy and civil rights groups especially the part about mass events. In true life-threatening emergencies I can see it makes sense to ask to get access. I oppose monitoring "mass events" and would want a warrant for criminal investigations.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Staff member
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
If the story is true and accurate, it's just yet another move by authoritarian Democrats* to indiscriminately invade personal liberties and freedoms and constutional rights.

The only time I wouldn't object is by and through proper channels through a warrant issued by a judge.

To have stormtroopers simply barrage into a private place demanding footage at ones will and behest is just pure totalitarianism.

*Givin democrats are the only political party completely running San Francisco.
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Ma Bell has been in bed with the NSA since at least the 1970s. Big biz and big gov might have their differences, but they both have a shared interest in watching the masses and keeping them under control. So, I can't imagine any business not cooperating with the police on a matter like this, warrant or no.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Revoltingest said:
I see no change in the law.
Cops currently require permission or a warrant.
What's this law do?
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According to the article, they were previously allowed access with the permission of the owner of the camera, but not live surveillance. That was apparently not allowed before, but now it is.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Revoltingest said:
I see no change in the law.
Cops currently require permission or a warrant.
What's this law do?
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They can now look at live footage so they can see interpret fuzzy images (deliberately worse than someone who's drank too much) as guns and drugs that aren't actually there.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Twilight Hue said:
A little too much imo.

It leads to things like this.....

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I'm scared of the cops. They haven't been as bad about this here in California, but where I lived in Indiana I've been harassed and put in a cop car because I'm autistic and sound like when I'm nervous (they thought it was drugs). Even just hanging with friends once, minding our own business, and piggly-wiggly showed up and this escalated to me getting a lot of heat for being intoxicated (and in public) because of the way I talk. Just as the thought of me being hauled in is starting to be realized a possibility (he was really being that nasty and very insistent I was intoxicated, my girlfriend at the time, who has a very nasty temper, blew up on him and actually managed to get him to go away.
Here I just get pulled over for petty things (like sending a text while I'm a red light) or legal things (like my underbody lights). There is actual crime here, theft, rape and an occasional murder, and lots of hot rodding down a main road that is also one of the most congested in town, but that takes actual, real effort. It's just way easier to pick to on a girl sending a text who has nothing better to do sitting a red light (yes, it's the traffic lane and all, but seriously it was down and my hands back on the wheel long before the light changed).
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Shadow Wolf said:
I'm scared of the cops. They haven't been as bad about this here in California, but where I lived in Indiana I've been harassed and put in a cop car because I'm autistic and sound like when I'm nervous (they thought it was drugs). Even just hanging with friends once, minding our own business, and piggly-wiggly showed up and this escalated to me getting a lot of heat for being intoxicated (and in public) because of the way I talk. Just as the thought of me being hauled in is starting to be realized a possibility (he was really being that nasty and very insistent I was intoxicated, my girlfriend at the time, who has a very nasty temper, blew up on him and actually managed to get him to go away.
Here I just get pulled over for petty things (like sending a text while I'm a red light) or legal things (like my underbody lights). There is actual crime here, theft, rape and an occasional murder, and lots of hot rodding down a main road that is also one of the most congested in town, but that takes actual, real effort. It's just way easier to pick to on a girl sending a text who has nothing better to do sitting a red light (yes, it's the traffic lane and all, but seriously it was down and my hands back on the wheel long before the light changed).
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Think about the politicians who make that type of legislation possible.
 
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