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Police hunt suspects after bomb thrown at Minnesota mosque

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I am gay, I have been all my life and have endured far worst than that, much worst. However, we don't fight back with bombs, we use our words, we use the courts, but not bombs. We use the media, we use art, we use protest, but never bombs.
Using the courts to mandate parents take their sick children to the doctor is not using bombs, it is using your sanity and reason. I didn't even mention bombs, I mentioned reigning in this hyper-inflated notion of "religious freedom" that is trying to allow the religious right to run amok. Like all the other freedoms guaranteed by the First, we need to realize and accept that even freedom of religion must have its limits.
it is not to suppress religious freedom.
In many areas, it does need suppressed. Religion must be removed from science and suppressed. It must be suppressed where it would repress and oppress others. It must be suppressed where it would strip others of their rights and choices. It must be suppressed when it would take the place of sanity and reason. Ultimately, we do not have time to change the minds of those who believe god will save us from global warming, or is going to burn up everything anyways so we shouldn't do anything about it at all. While we try to use words, Christian Conservatives are using words to lead LBGT youth down a path of depression, anxiety, social difficulties, and suicide. While we are spending time trying to teach and change minds, America will fall further academically behind because we can't even teach proper science as science and not confuse religious mythos as science fact.
Ultimately, the more we deny the horrors and sheer inhumanity that some religions teach, as a part of their sacred texts/books, the harder of a time we are going to have getting things under control, making more drastic and extreme measures more likely to be done. There is a reason we say someone is more "Liberal" when it comes to their religion, and when someone is "Conservative." The religious Liberals we tend to like more, but the Conservatives tend to take what their book says more seriously. It is in the OT to kill those who worship other gods as well as your rebellious kids, and the NT to kill those who "don't want me to reign over them" as well as homosexuals. Now, we don't think of it this way, but those "freedoms to freely practice/worship their religion" obviously have restrictions against them and will not hold as a legal defense. But it is suppressed in this regard, it's past-time we acknowledge that it must be restrained and suppressed in many more areas (with a general condemnation of anything and everything that teaches to kill non-believers/infidels).
It's just time we acknowledge and realize religion is a very explosive, very dangerous, and highly volatile subject. After all, people will arm themselves against corrupt human regimes, but they are so very often just unwilling to question or challenge god. We need to arm everyone, mentally, to question religion and god out of existence, not coddle to those beliefs that are making life a living hell for so many.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
@Shadow Wolf

You really think it's a good idea to rant about how religion needs to be suppressed in a thread about an attempted bombing of a house of worship? Really? How inconsiderate and ridiculous. I find your ranting offensive and outlandish. Religion is not going anywhere and people will always find excuses to be dicks to each other - religious or not. Wanting religion to be suppressed and go extinct is an example of being a dick, too, by the way. You only focus on the negative aspects of religion (which aren't exclusive to it) and ignore the positive.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You really think it's a good idea to rant about how religion needs to be suppressed in a thread about an attempted bombing of a house of worship?
Debates go both ways, and I can indeed express my opinion and thoughts on something another member posted. For all we know, this could have been Christians acting in the name of religion.
Wanting religion to be suppressed
Did you read none of my examples?
You only focus on the negative aspects of religion (which aren't exclusive to it) and ignore the positive.
We do need to focus on the negative. When religions teach to kill certain people, to not tolerate them, to not even associate with them, this is why we have problems with Conservative and extremist Christians and Muslims. We like to see Jesus as this great model of tolerance and peace, but yet we so very often dismiss where he said "kill those who don't want me to reign over them." Unless we wake up and realize, accept, and just admit there are abominable and inhumane teachings found throughout the Abrahamic religions, we will not move past the problems we are having from people using religion as a tool to abuse others.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Religion is the problem. The world would be much more peaceful if religion would go away.
I'm sure that those that use religion as reason to commit violence would find something else to justify their acts of violence, or another group would take their place and use their agenda for committing violence.
Humans can always find a reason to commit violence, it's just that some are able to suppress their violent tendency better than others.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I'm sure that those that use religion as reason to commit violence would find something else to justify their acts of violence, or another group would take their place and use their agenda for committing violence.
Humans can always find a reason to commit violence, it's just that some are able to suppress their violent tendency better than others.
Wrong, religions only become a problem in secular America when you try to push religious law. You know, like the anti-choice stance when it comes to abortion. Or abolishing the separation of church and state. Or adding god to the money and pledge of allegiance.

These are all examples of religion infiltrating the government to further their religious agenda. Not one thing about it is what this country was founded on. But you don't care. Thankfully, most patriotic Americans can see who the problem people are. Not looking good for you.

How's it feel being a veteran that supports a draft dodging liar who lied to millions of Americans that were gullible?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Wrong, religions only become a problem in secular America when you try to push religious law. You know, like the anti-choice stance when it comes to abortion. Or abolishing the separation of church and state. Or adding god to the money and pledge of allegiance.

These are all examples of religion infiltrating the government to further their religious agenda. Not one thing about it is what this country was founded on. But you don't care. Thankfully, most patriotic Americans can see who the problem people are. Not looking good for you.

How's it feel being a veteran that supports a draft dodging liar who lied to millions of Americans that were gullible?
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garden47

Member
Police hunt suspects after bomb thrown at Minnesota mosque

Has the POTUS denounced this incident publically - we all know that if the situation was reversed the President would be first in line to criticize Muslims if they were involved!
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Police hunt suspects after bomb thrown at Minnesota mosque

Has the POTUS denounced this incident publically - we all know that if the situation was reversed the President would be first in line to criticize Muslims if they were involved!
Last time I heard, he hadn't, but I can stand being corrected if I'm wrong.
 

agorman

Active Member
Premium Member
You endorse bombing churches, so who really cares what you think.

Do you know what Muslims often plan for us "infidels" inside those "churches"?

My intolerance is just against intolerants. Mohammed started it. Or I should say Abraham.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Do you know what Muslims often plan for us "infidels" inside those "churches"?

My intolerance is just against intolerants. Mohammed started it. Or I should say Abraham.
Nothing. The majority of mosques don't preach anything towards infidels. Got an example in a mosque in America or anything? All abrahamic religions like Islam, Christianity and Jews teach to hate other non-believers. To kill non-believers. To not eat pork and bacon, etc.

You can cherry pick, but it doesn't make sense when you don't look at the big picture. I noticed there still hasn't been any moderate christian leaders speaking out against the terror attack in Charlottesville. Why the silence? Do they support what was done?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Nothing. The majority of mosques don't preach anything towards infidels. Got an example in a mosque in America or anything? All abrahamic religions like Islam, Christianity and Jews teach to hate other non-believers. To kill non-believers. To not eat pork and bacon, etc.

You can cherry pick, but it doesn't make sense when you don't look at the big picture. I noticed there still hasn't been any moderate christian leaders speaking out against the terror attack in Charlottesville. Why the silence? Do they support what was done?

Last time I checked the Christian have no dietary restrictions.

The last time I checked the protests in Charlottesville had nothing to do with any religion. If you have proof that this is not true, produce the evidence .
Yes there were those that were chanting anti-Jewish sentiments; However, I suspect this was done by those that adhere to the policy of the Nazis., not a religious protest.

The last time I checked those of the Jewish, and Christian faith do not advocate the killing of anyone that is not of their faith. If you have proof that this is not true, produce the evidence.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Stereotyping any group, including any religious group, is just another form of dishonesty. Surveys taken on Muslims here in the States show overwhelmingly they being opposed to terrorism regardless of the source. Matter of fact, the groups that have been mostly killed or hurt by radical elements internationally are Muslims.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I noticed there still hasn't been any moderate christian leaders speaking out against the terror attack in Charlottesville.
Actually the RCC has soundly denounced the right-wing extremists there and the violence in general, including the Pope.
 
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