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Political and Religious Beliefs

Fool

ALL in all
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why do some people's religious beliefs not coincide or agree in part with their political beliefs?
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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This is like asking me why my dietary choices don't coincide or agree with my driving habits.

My religion doesn't coincide or agree with my politics because my religion has nothing to do with my political affiliation.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
This is like asking me why my dietary choices don't coincide or agree with my driving habits.

My religion doesn't coincide or agree with my politics because my religion has nothing to do with my political affiliation.
a person has one belief system not multiples. the beliefs can be opposing obviously.

goes to the idea of a house divided against itself. or claiming one thing while doing another.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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a person has one belief system not multiples. the beliefs can be opposing obviously.
I have zero beliefs systems. I have morals, values, and knowledge. These have nothing to do with any belief systems.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I have zero beliefs systems. I have morals, values, and knowledge. These have nothing to do with any belief systems.
everyone has a belief systems in lieu of the lack of knowledge.

anyone who has studied psychology, counseling, psychiatry knows this.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
But in reference to what?

What makes something political or non political?
when someone has to choose someone to represent a whole, like a religious leader et al in relationship to public affairs and representation
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
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when someone has to choose someone to represent a whole, like a religious leader et al in relationship to public affairs and representation
Ah, so you specifically mean voting people into power?
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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everyone has a belief systems in lieu of the lack of knowledge.

anyone who has studied psychology, counseling, psychiatry knows this.
You're right. Clearly you and anyone who has studied psychology, counseling, and psychiatry know more about me than me.

Thank you for setting me straight.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Ah, so you specifically mean voting people into power?
yes.

there are basically two types of people, jesus referred to them as goats and sheep.

goats are service to self types, or tending to hypocrisy, and sheep are service to all as self-type or follow the law of reciprocity
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
everyone has a belief systems in lieu of the lack of knowledge.

anyone who has studied psychology, counseling, psychiatry knows this.
This is not true, and is in fact profoundly misleading. Everyone, even "religious non-believers" believes some things and disbelieves others. And they're agnostic on a whole bunch of other things, the sort that when asked about, they shrug and say, "who knows?"

These are not decided on the basis of any "system," but rather one what seems to the individual, based on their knowledge and experience, generally more likely to be true or false -- or said another way, not so likely to be true or untrue. I believe some things because, in my experience, they seem plausible, and I didbelieve others because they seem implausible.

There was a time (1977), you know, the founder of Digital Equipment Corp. (DEC) Ken Olsen said: , “There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home.” Now, of course, everybody has quite a few of them: in their TV, their watch, some in their fridges and some actually sitting around just being -- well, you know -- computers. But of course, he was speaking within the context of the knowledge and experience of his time.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
This is not true, and is in fact profoundly misleading. Everyone, even "religious non-believers" believes some things and disbelieves others. And they're agnostic on a whole bunch of other things, the sort that when asked about, they shrug and say, "who knows?"

These are not decided on the basis of any "system," but rather one what seems to the individual, based on their knowledge and experience, generally more likely to be true or false -- or said another way, not so likely to be true or untrue. I believe some things because, in my experience, they seem plausible, and I didbelieve others because they seem implausible.

There was a time (1977), you know, the founder of Digital Equipment Corp. (DEC) Ken Olsen said: , “There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home.” Now, of course, everybody has quite a few of them: in their TV, their watch, some in their fridges and some actually sitting around just being -- well, you know -- computers. But of course, he was speaking within the context of the knowledge and experience of his time.


there are negative beliefs, if a person who doesn't have knowledge, will interact with their environment by testing said belief. either the test fails because it's a belief, or it passes. if it passes, then it could be correct for that time/space. infants and children do this quite naturally.

one can choose to ignore a fact/knowledge to maintain beliefs. that's usually the ego not wanting to relinquish the illusion it would hope to maintain, or to test it. some would prefer to maintain face, or the mask.

that is what hypocrisy is based upon, masking, covering up. usually in relationship to the ego and false face. coincides with familialism, tribalism, racism, sexism. me or mine

it goes from extreme left to extreme right
 

JustGeorge

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yes.

there are basically two types of people, jesus referred to them as goats and sheep.

goats are service to self types, or tending to hypocrisy, and sheep are service to all as self-type or follow the law of reciprocity
I disagree. There are endless types of people.

As to who I would vote for, my options are very limited. I can pencil in whoever the heck I want, but if I go with the ballot...

There might not be any one candidate I feel 'perfectly' aligns with my religious beliefs. I may have to pick the closest fit, acknowledging it isn't perfect.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
why do some people's religious beliefs not coincide or agree in part with their political beliefs?
I don't see that actually happening. What I see is that a person's beliefs are usually quite complex, with more than one ideal, and that means their beliefs just don't line up with either party. So they prioritize their ideals, and choose the party that lines up with those things at the top of the list. This happens for both those religious people on the left as well as those on the right.

For example, for some religious people, the anti-establishment clause is high on their list of ideals because they see it as loving their neighbor as themselves. Thus, they make it a point not to mention how their religion influences their politics. This makes it SEEM like the Democratic party is less religious, when in fact that is far from the case.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
yes.

there are basically two types of people, jesus referred to them as goats and sheep.

goats are service to self types, or tending to hypocrisy, and sheep are service to all as self-type or follow the law of reciprocity
Sheep and goats are both herd animals, and not all people fit into the herd animal metaphor.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
a person has one belief system not multiples. the beliefs can be opposing obviously.

goes to the idea of a house divided against itself. or claiming one thing while doing another.
I have multiple sets of beliefs. Buddhism stays out of politics, and the practices of Buddhism are not in the realm of politics. I do have my political religion, Pastafarianism, (which is in the Sacred Clown tradition) in addition to my LHP Buddhist beliefs and practices.
 
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