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Politics, Psychopaths, Sociopaths, or Narcissists

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Vote for a psychopath or narcissist? What choice do we have?
These types tend to gravitate to politics, and the ones who get to the top rungs are those most adept at wheeling-dealing and gaming the system.

Idealists and principled people get in the way, threaten the status quo and annoy the rich and powerful.
They rarely get anywhere.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Vote for a psychopath or narcissist? What choice do we have?
These types tend to gravitate to politics, and the ones who get to the top rungs are those most adept at wheeling-dealing and gaming the system.

Idealists and principled people get in the way, threaten the status quo and annoy the rich and powerful.
They rarely get anywhere.

Just like cops. Unfortunately... It takes a certain type of narcissistic individual for all these jobs, and I'm ready to change that somehow.

...Are you with me, Val?

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Cooky

Veteran Member
It's time to demote the narcissists. All of them.

Maybe the current administration and the current times will lead us to a new enlightenment in moving forward?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Would you vote for a psychopath, sociopath, or narcissist to be your leader in some respect?


Like Adolf Hitler
I vote based upon which candidates will have what predicted
effects in office. Their agendas, based upon records in office
& current plans matter most.
These labels so popular today with armchair psychoanalysts...
narcissist, psychopath, liar, sociopath, uncultured...they can
be applied to both beloved & hated politicians. They're not
all that useful to judge for voting.
Better to have a competent narcissistic psychopath pursuing
a great agenda, than an incompetent saint with awful plans.

Hitler's problem was the pursuit of evil, no matter what his
personality profile.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I vote based upon which candidates will have what predicted
effects in office. Their agendas, based upon records in office
& current plans matter most.
These labels so popular today with armchair psychoanalysts...
narcissist, psychopath, liar, sociopath, uncultured...they can
be applied to both beloved & hated politicians. They're not
all that useful to judge for voting.
Better to have a competent narcissistic psychopath pursuing
a great agenda, than an incompetent saint with awful plans.

Hitler's problem was the pursuit of evil, no matter what his
personality profile.

There is no question that Hitler's personality included pathological narcissism or what I have called psychopathic narcissism (see my prior post), and may have met modern diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder.


a
number of psychiatrists and psychologists have noted Trump has a personality disorder.


President Donald Trump



Its considered unethical to make an assessment of public figures, in the mental health community, but that doesn't mean the mental health professionals are incorrect in their diagnosis. the fear is that it places a stigma on the disease.


narcissism to a degree is acceptable, self love and importance would have to be necessary to have a healthy perception of one self and another.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
There was nothingparticularly unusual about Hitler's personality profile. He was in the right place at the right time, and managed to capitalize on it. Otherwise he was just a resentful, banal, everyman, like thousands of other post war, depression era Germans.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There is no question that Hitler's personality included pathological narcissism or what I have called psychopathic narcissism (see my prior post), and may have met modern diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder.


a
number of psychiatrists and psychologists have noted Trump has a personality disorder.


President Donald Trump



Its considered unethical to make an assessment of public figures, in the mental health community, but that doesn't mean the mental health professionals are incorrect in their diagnosis. the fear is that it places a stigma on the disease.


narcissism to a degree is acceptable, self love and importance would have to be necessary to have a healthy perception of one self and another.
Such diagnoses are a shallow way to evaluate a person.
Consider.....
The Neuroscientist Who Discovered He Was a Psychopath | Science | Smithsonian Magazine
Mr Fallon is a useful member of society, despite his 'diagnosis' as psychopathic.

People are using these epithetic labels as determinism. Poppycock!
Look at what a person does, & intends to do. Judge by actions.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Would you vote for a psychopath, sociopath, or narcissist to be your leader in some respect?


Like Adolf Hitler

No. If Adolf is who they say he is, I rather trump. From what I gather, doesn't sound like he supports mass killings. He needs work in his dictatorship but I can deal with that more than the Adolf events.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Such diagnoses are a shallow way to evaluate a person.
not really. many a person has been told they need to seek help after being seen on TV with a strange lump, or recognized condition. the stigma is that psychological disorders aren't taken as seriously as physical disorders, or are seen as shameful.


Consider.....
The Neuroscientist Who Discovered He Was a Psychopath | Science | Smithsonian Magazine
Mr Fallon is a useful member of society, despite his 'diagnosis' as psychopathic.

People are using these epithetic labels as determinism. Poppycock!
Look at what a person does, & intends to do. Judge by actions.
i had already heard of this. the difference between this guy and the next is acceptance vs denial.

people who are extremely logical tend to have lower levels of empathy.

https://phys.org/news/2013-01-empathetic.html#:~:text=Earlier research has shown that,than future doctors and nurses.&text="Advanced engineers often take on,communication skills and social competence.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
not really. many a person has been told they need to seek help after being seen on TV with a strange lump, or recognized condition. the stigma is that psychological disorders aren't taken as seriously as physical disorders, or are seen as shameful.


i had already heard of this. the difference between this guy and the next is acceptance vs denial.

people who are extremely logical tend to have lower levels of empathy.

https://phys.org/news/2013-01-empathetic.html#:~:text=Earlier research has shown that,than future doctors and nurses.&text="Advanced engineers often take on,communication skills and social competence.
It still all boils down to what a candidate for office would
actually accomplish in office. Applying psychological labels
to them just doesn't strike me as useful.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
It still all boils down to what a candidate for office would
actually accomplish in office. Applying psychological labels
to them just doesn't strike me as useful.
why, you label things all the time. is it that psychological labels seem negative?

we know trump lies. you couldn't have watched him over the last 4 years and not know he lies. not just a few lies, but consistently. he's not even a good businessman. he has no plans for business. i didn't like his business model on apprentice. he was never an entrepreneur, innovator. he's a narcissist with a lot of inherited money. he's barely stayed on the right side of the law.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
why, you label things all the time. is it that psychological labels seem negative?
Because labels for these traits don't determine what they'll
do in office.
we know trump lies. you couldn't have watched him over the last 4 years and not know he lies. not just a few lies, but consistently. he's not even a good businessman. he has no plans for business. i didn't like his business model on apprentice. he was never an entrepreneur, innovator. he's a narcissist with a lot of inherited money. he's barely stayed on the right side of the law.
Which matters to you about politicians?
1) Agendas they pursue, or
2) What kind of person they are.
Certainly, #2 affects #1.
But I give most weight to #1, ie, what they've pursued
in office, & what do they propose for the future.
I don't have to like or respect them...I seldom do.
I just want them to do things I approve of.
 

Friend of Mara

Active Member
I think there are certain conditions in which I would vote for a psychopath. Just because you are a psychopath doesn't mean you don't have morals. It just means you don't have genuine empathy. If a psychopath ended wars, gave us universal healthcare and ended police brutality just on a dare I wouldn't mind. But typically the answer will be no.
 
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