POLL 49%+ of 'Millennials'choose Socialism over Captialism.

[Revoltingest]

Are you claiming that socialism caused the famines? Are you saying that if they didn't become socialist, they wouldn't have had famines?

Dang, man.....so many alerts from you find me this morn.
And I think we're covering well trodden ground.
I'll pick this one for a response.

Socialism & Capitalism are both complex systems.
I don't see systems as "causing" anything, so much
as having emergent properties. Famine tends to
arise in socialism due to economic inflexibility..

 

[Stevicus]

Dang, man.....so many alerts from you find me this morn.
And I think we're covering well trodden ground.
I'll pick this one for a response.

Socialism & Capitalism are both complex systems.
I don't see systems as "causing" anything, so much
as having emergent properties. Famine tends to
arise in socialism due to economic inflexibility..

Actually, I agree with you about the inflexibility, although I would consider it ideological inflexibility. But there's nothing inherent in socialism that requires such rigidity and inflexibility. It's not a religion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, I agree with you about the inflexibility, although I would consider it ideological inflexibility. But there's nothing inherent in socialism that requires such rigidity and inflexibility. It's not a religion.

Economic systems are much like biological evolution.
Nothing in evolution requires the emergent properties we observe,
eg, competition, symbiosis. But these things tend to happen.

 

[Lyndon]

 

[Shad]

Norway is not socialist. Look up the word you are using.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

https://www.quora.com/Is-Norway-socialist-or-capitalist

The Scandinavian countries are mixed ideologies of capitalism, democracy, secular Christianity and connected historically to socialism, namely a social democratic ideology, but it is not socialism. But they are not close to any form of actual form of socialism. They are functionally social democrats and not democratic socialists in the following sense. None of these countries are moving towards socialism as in: "Socialism presupposes workers control over means of production. Not simply fair pay for a fair day of work, not simply stronger say in running the company, but full and unapologetic control of it."
If you claim that democratic socialism is both the workers' control over means of production and not, you can claim so.
I will stick to that democratic socialism is a form of socialism as per the workers' control over means of production, but that is not the case with e.g. Norway. That is a social democratic country.
Social democracy - Wikipedia

Social democracy is a political, social, and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and a capitalist economy.

I can also use Wikipedia.

 

[Lyndon]

Democratic Socialism, that's what we are talking about

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Democratic Socialism, that's what we are talking about

No, we are talking about democratic socialism versus social democracy. You can say they are the same. But one is a version of socialism and the other is a version of capitalism. You can call them the same, but some socialists will not agree with you. To some socialists a social democrat is worse than a pure capitalist, because a social democrat has betrayed socialism and fallen for capitalism.

 

[Lyndon]

no you are talking about social democracy

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

no you are talking about social democracy

Well, I concede the following: You are a we because you say so, but I am not a we, because I know I am not a we. So yes, you are a we, because you are the source of all understanding for all humans, just because you say so. I know differently, so yes, I am not a we.
Now the joke is that you are not a we, because you don't speak for me. I admit that I spoke for a we that is not there. Can you admit the same?

Democratic Socialism, that's what we are talking about

 

[Revoltingest]

Norway is not socialist. Look up the word you are using.

I've tried.
He hates dictionaries.
Moreover, capitalism here is quite "fettered".
The issue is how much money goes to social
spending vs wasteful things like wars & debt service.
Discussing economics with some liberals is like discussing
bicycle road racing with weasels...all you get is high pitched chirping.

 

[Shad]

I've tried.
He hates dictionaries.
Moreover, capitalism here is quite "fettered".
The issue is how much money goes to social
spending vs wasteful things like wars & debt service.
Discussing economics with some liberals is like discussing
bicycle road racing with weasels...all you get is high pitched chirping.

Funny thing is his own wiki citation points out there is a difference between social democracy and democratic socialism, and points out the Nordic model isn't socialist.

 

[Revoltingest]

Funny thing is his own wiki citation points out there is a difference between social democracy and democratic socialism, and points out the Nordic model isn't socialist.

I'm pushing the superior term, "social capitalism".

 

[Stevicus]

You say pot-ah-to, I say pot-ay-to.