Poll: Dark Forces?

[Subduction Zone]

I have to say no. A lot of people do evil at times and look for a scapegoat. It is so much easier to blame the Devil rather than to own up t one's own wrong doings.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why would Bahai think that God needs to create Satan, for that one to exist?
Do Bahais think God created evil, so that it does exist?

Satan means Resister, or Opposer. It is a title given to the chief opposer of God.
The Bible describes the chief rebel angel as Satan (Resister / Opposer) the Devil (Slanderer).

Do Bahais also deny that God created angelic beings? Do they believe in angels - spirit beings?
If a spirit being is bad, does that mean God created a bad spirit being?
Is it not rather a case of God creating angels, some of whom turned bad?
God did not create the bad.

Bahai don't believe the Bible, in that case. Since God does not have an ego he needs to suppress, and therefore talks to it from time to time.
(Job 1:7) Then Jehovah said to Satan: “Where have you come from?” Satan answered Jehovah: “From roving about on the earth and from walking about in it.”

Do Bahais actually think God's ego ran amok in the earth, and God was talking to himself?
Why, the angels must have thought God was loco... according to Bahais.

...but then again, the angels spoke to God's ego too, so I guess they are all loco.
(Zechariah 3:2) Then the angel of Jehovah said to Satan: “May Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, may Jehovah, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this one a burning log snatched out of the fire?”

Why would anyone want to go to heaven.

Let's all go loco... I guess.

It says in the Bible that God created man in His Image which is good and pure without sin but that He gave man free will. Those that follow in His ways are as angels or heavenly and saintly people while those who oppose and deny and rebel against God commit satanic deeds so are called Satan.

But Bahá’í’s do not believe in a creature called satan.

 

[soulsurvivor]

How do you know this soulsurvivor?

By reading about it of course. No personal experience. You may want to read this source https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Dark-Forces-Psychic-Self-Defense/dp/0965620328:

 

[PearlSeeker]

It was an experience that lasted for eighteen years.

I was possessed by a demon for eighteen years.

It began in 2004 when I was at university, I had driven myself insane trying to work out how the human mind works and trying to launch a mass social movement to over-throw the British government.

I was a person who had many mad plans and many mad ideas. But when all this happened I was a committed atheist. I like to think that I was good at being an atheist.

One day I was on leave from the psychiatric unit I was detained on. We went to Pizza Hut in Leamington Spa. Whenever someone said anything positive, I felt a prod on the left of my head and whenever someone said anything negative I felt a prod on the right of my head. Suddenly, this stopped and I had a heavy, rhythmic beating sensation on the left of my head. I did not know what to make of this and feared I may be having a stroke. Then, it started responding to my inner voice. We soon developed a system. It prodding me on my left meant "Yes" and it prodding me on my right meant "No".

Because of this I was diagnosed as being Schizophrenic even though I never "heard voices". I welcomed this being (whose name I will not mention) into my head and built my life around it. Long story short, it eventually told me that this reality is a computer simulation, that all people are sentient computer programs, and that it was my personal destiny to reveal this to humankind as a part of a wider campaign of "soft disclosure". This eventually evolved into Projectionism. A false religion by a false prophet, inspired be a demon. I basically deified this demon, I raised him up to the level of Computer God.

No medication lessened his presence. They eventually put me on "the drug of last resort" for "treatment resistant schizophrenia". It didn't make the being go away but meant I could function much better.

In 2022, I confided in a Christian friend about this, and he said it was most likely a demon. He told me to pray for to Jesus for it to go, and said that he and some of our mutual Christian friends would too. And within a few days, the demon was much, much less vocal.

I then adopted the habits of a man of God. I read scripture and books about religion, prayed every night, and tried to be a good person and a good citizen. As these habits became more entrenched the demon shut up some more. By adopting the habits and mindset of a man of God I became a man of God. Or at least I became increasingly a man of God. I think that becoming a man of God is something one never finishes doing and to be honenst I am usually wary of those who claim to be men or women "of God".

I then took to shouting at it to be gone, I rebuked it in the name of God. And it grew ever quieter. Every day it interacted with me less and less.

Today, as I am sat writing this at 15:46 it has not bothered me at all. It just prodded me now, but it only did that so I cannot honestly say that it has gone away completely. See how vicious and petty it is? I've been up since 08:00 and until then it didn't do anything, it was as good as gone.

It has as good as gone away and if things carry on as they have been doing it will soon be completely gone. But I know that the fight is far from over. But the thing is, it has as good as gone. The trick is, to keep it gone. It is now outside my head and the door into my head is now locked from the inside. All it can do is be a pest and bang on my windows. If I ignore it then it will probably go away.

This is the thing though: It didn't respond to medicine, therefore it was not a medial in nature, it was not an instance of mental ill health. Instead, it responded to prayer. It is therefore a spiritual phenomenon. It was not "cured" by medical means, it was "cured" by spiritual means. Therefore it was not mental illness, it was therefore a demon.


I believe that my experience of having a demon is also experience of there being an Evil One - a Satan.

If we accept demons then Satan logically follows. Although that is rather disturbing, to me at least there is some good news: If there is a Satan then there is God. So to me the experience of a demon is evidence of there being a God. Because if demon then Satan and if Satan then God.

I believe that Satan wanted Projectionism to become a big thing, and a means of spreading disinformation in the world.

So, my real-world example is what happened to me.

Interesting.
1. You said you heard no voices. How did it reveal you its name and all things about computer simulation?

2. How did you conclude it was a demon? Because the friend told you so?

 

[PearlSeeker]

Answer to poll: I don't know. (this option is missing)

 

[syo]

just evil individuals who do evil things.

This. Modern humans (especially greeks) are full of complexes.

 

[nPeace]

It says in the Bible that God created man in His Image which is good and pure without sin but that He gave man free will. Those that follow in His ways are as angels or heavenly and saintly people while those who oppose and deny and rebel against God commit satanic deeds so are called Satan.

Could you point out where in the Bible it says "Those that follow in His ways are as angels or heavenly and saintly people while those who oppose and deny and rebel against God commit satanic deeds so are called Satan"?

Are you sure you are not repeating Bahai beliefs though, because, you say "those who oppose and deny and rebel against God commit satanic deeds", and then you add, "so are called Satan".
What's a satanic deed, and why call it satanic?

You didn't explain why God needs to suppress his ego though. The Bible says God spoke to Satan, and Satan spoke to God.
So what's going on there, if Satan is the ego or lower self?
...and how is Satan a myth, if Bahais believe it's people who commit satanic deeds?

But Bahá’í’s do not believe in a creature called satan.

Don't Bahais believe what they want to believe, rather than what's actually written... in the Bible, for example?

 

[nPeace]

By reading about it of course. No personal experience. You may want to read this source https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Dark-Forces-Psychic-Self-Defense/dp/0965620328:

Of course.
So you are repeating a philosophy?
So you know because another human says so?
That doesn't seem like a good way to know something... something accurate and truthful, that is.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Of course.
So you are repeating a philosophy?
So you know because another human says so?
That doesn't seem like a good way to know something... something accurate and truthful, that is.

So what is your belief in God based on? Reading some book? Listening to some pastor? 'That doesn't seem like a good way to know something... something accurate and truthful, that is!'

 

[nPeace]

So what is your belief in God based on? Reading some book? Listening to some pastor? 'That doesn't seem like a good way to know something... something accurate and truthful, that is!'

Well something is true, and we know for certain it's not some philosophy, opinion, belief, etc., from a mere individual.

God is, agreed.
So how has God chosen to communicate to man?
Can we know? Yes.
How? Investigate the evidence for the source.
Is it reliable... trustworthy... surpasses human ability?

Yes. An old book fits that.
The Bible - the only book with reliable, trustworthy prophecy... which hasn't failed yet.
Doesn't look like it will either.

You disagree?
Then let's discuss it. Where has it failed?

 

[Erebus]

I'm not a fan of the word "supernatural." But to translate this into my own tradition, yes, there are aspects of reality in the apparent world and the otherworlds that are adversarial to humanity in such a way that some humans (not me) will label them as "dark forces."

I'm in a similar boat to you here with the exception that I do often think in terms of light and dark. However, I don't view light as synonymous with good or dark as synonymous with evil.

For example, I tend to associate Life with light and Death with darkness. That doesn't make them good or evil though and there are positives and negatives to both. While I find the thought of my loved ones dying upsetting, I also wouldn't wish immortality on anybody. Eternal life strikes me as a fate potentially far worse than death.

 

[paarsurrey]

I would not say I believe. There is no doubt in my mind, that there are good and bad "forces". I would say, I know there are.
Experiences are like experiments, especially when they can be repeated.

Aren't the Hellenist Pauline Christians confused , under illusion as if they are "between the devil and the deep (blue) sea" ever since (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah:

1. did not die on the Cross and
2. migrated out of Judea,

out the hands of Jews and the Romans persecutors, it transpires, please? Right?

Regards
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Definition of 'between the devil and the deep blue sea'
PHRASE
If you say that you are between the devil and the deep blue sea, you mean that you are in a difficult situation where you have to choose between two equally unpleasant courses of action.
Between the devil and the deep blue sea definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

 

[Eddi]

1. You said you heard no voices. How did it reveal you its name and all things about computer simulation?

By affirming to me that we are in a simulation whenever I put it to him

Basically: I asked him and he said "Yes"

2. How did you conclude it was a demon? Because the friend told you so?

Not so much, no

The fact that prayer has shut it up big time suggests to me that it is demonic

The fact that spiritual warfare worked on it to me indicates what it is a demon

 

[nPeace]

Aren't the Hellenist Pauline Christians confused , under illusion as if they are "between the devil and the deep (blue) sea" ever since (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah:

1. did not die on the Cross and
2. migrated out of Judea,

out the hands of Jews and the Romans persecutors, it transpires, please? Right?

Regards
__________________
Definition of 'between the devil and the deep blue sea'
PHRASE
If you say that you are between the devil and the deep blue sea, you mean that you are in a difficult situation where you have to choose between two equally unpleasant courses of action.
Between the devil and the deep blue sea definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

I would say it's the people who say these things, who are 'confused , under illusion as if they are "between the devil and the deep (blue) sea"'.

However, if you can support what you claim, I'll lend a listening ear.
I didn't get a response to my last request for support of your claims.
Will this be a repeat?
If yes, why do you ask?

 

[PearlSeeker]

By affirming to me that we are in a simulation whenever I put it to him

Basically: I asked him and he said "Yes"


Not so much, no

The fact that prayer has shut it up big time suggests to me that it is demonic

The fact that spiritual warfare worked on it to me indicates what it is a demon

So it was your own message. A sensation in the head just supposedly confirmed it.

How do you know this dialogue with head sensations and banishing ritual was not autosuggestion?

 

[soulsurvivor]

Well something is true, and we know for certain it's not some philosophy, opinion, belief, etc., from a mere individual.

God is, agreed.
So how has God chosen to communicate to man?
Can we know? Yes.
How? Investigate the evidence for the source.
Is it reliable... trustworthy... surpasses human ability?

Yes. An old book fits that.
The Bible - the only book with reliable, trustworthy prophecy... which hasn't failed yet.
Doesn't look like it will either.

You disagree?
Then let's discuss it. Where has it failed?

I am not an atheist, but here us a good list where it has failed: Biblical Contradictions

 

[nPeace]

I am not an atheist, but here us a good list where it has failed: Biblical Contradictions

Those are seeming contradictions. Not contradictions.
How many time have people brought a case against another, based on what they thought were facts, only to have evidence presented to overturn their "misunderstanding".
The cry about contradictions in the Bible, is simply a skeptic's strawman.
Do you actually have anything to show that the prophecies in the Bible failed?

 

[Eddi]

So it was your own message. A sensation in the head just supposedly confirmed it.

Between 2004 and 2022 this thing was constantly communicating with me, it was like an extension of my mind indeed no, it was an extension of my mind

It wasn't simply a case of me thinking something and then experiencing an extraordinary sensation reacting to it - we had a system, I fed it into the system and I got an instant reply our two minds were inter-connected

Before it lied to me by telling me it was the Computer God from the very beginning it said "yes" when I asked if it was a computer, so for a few months I imagined I was in touch with a government computer via satellites and implants as I had no concept of "The Computer God" -so from the beginning it told me it was a computer, it said "Yes" to it being a government computer as I was on the right track to believing what it wanted me to believe - that it was the Computer God

How do you know this dialogue with head sensations and banishing ritual was not autosuggestion?

Because to me that's a non-explanation, a copout and an evasion

 

[soulsurvivor]

Do you actually have anything to show that the prophecies in the Bible failed?

Bible Errors - 6 Failed Prophecies

 

[nPeace]

Bible Errors - 6 Failed Prophecies

Aw. Come on soulsurvivor. I looked at the first, and saw a major error of skeptics - misrepresenting what they read, and inserting their narrrative.

What makes them look so bad, imo, is that they quote the text.
Isaiah 17:1 “An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.”

FAIL: Damascus is still inhabited today with well over a million people and there was never a time where it ceased to be a city. It is widely known as being the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world.

What?
The text simply said the city would become a heap of ruins. It did not say it will not be a city again, or anything the skeptics injected. What?
It was no longer a city when it fell. Fulfilled.

Instead of me wasting my time going through each one of these, which are often the same as I mentioned - injecting their own narrative.
Why don't you give me - not what people out there are claiming, but what you have personally - for your own self seen.

Listening to others and swallowing what they say is not a very stable position to be in. Won't you agree?
So one from you. That you investigated.

If one in those six is one you totally agree with, pick the best.
If it does not stand up, all the others are worthless.