Poll: Should homosexuals be chaste?

[Unveiled Artist]

To answer your question about puberty and biology, women relate to other women differently than men relate to other men.

True. Differences between women/women and women/men doesn't invalidate that humans are attracted to other humans in their physiology and biology despite their sex. Many are predominate to opposite gender and others the same gender. Their relationships are irrelevant.

Since the same logic applies to both parties same and opposite, neither wouldn't be as a result of relationship. Just many people attracted to others same or opposite genders tend to have a relationship because of their attractions rather than attractions changed because of their relationships.

 

[Skywalker]

True. Differences between women/women and women/men doesn't invalidate that humans are attracted to other humans in their physiology and biology despite their sex. Many are predominate to opposite gender and others the same gender. Their relationships are irrelevant.

Since the same logic applies to both parties same and opposite, neither wouldn't be as a result of relationship. Just many people attracted to others same or opposite genders tend to have a relationship because of their attractions rather than attractions changed because of their relationships.

I'm not saying lesbianism is a total choice but it's more of a choice than male homosexuality.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe that people socializing with the opposite gender the same way they would with the opposite gender is no different from cohabitation.

Could you rephrase this? You said opposite gender twice.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm not saying lesbianism is a total choice but it's more of a choice than male homosexuality.

I don't get that. Men and women both have the same physiologically (just different ways they respond to attraction). The only difference is who they are attracted to not the biological mechanisms that respond to it.

So the male's physiology is not a choice when the object of attraction is male. But the woman's physiology is a choice when the object of attraction is female?

Their physiology changes (biological vs choice) depending on what their sex is?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I believe lesbians are not homosexuals because many get involved in those kinds of relationships after heterosexual relationships.

So do a lot of gay men. It's called being closeted.

 

[metis]

I have not participated in this thread since I don't feel that I have the right to go into someone else's bedroom to see whom else might be there.

 

[Skywalker]

I don't get that. Men and women both have the same physiologically (just different ways they respond to attraction). The only difference is who they are attracted to not the biological mechanisms that respond to it.

So the male's physiology is not a choice when the object of attraction is male. But the woman's physiology is a choice when the object of attraction is female?

Their physiology changes (biological vs choice) depending on what their sex is?

The intention of men getting involved in those relationships is more spontaneous.

 

[oldbadger]

Jesus taught that those who do not embody the spirit of the law, must then obey the letter of the law. While those who do embody the spirit of the law automatically fulfill the letter of the law (if it is righteous law). The spirit of all righteous law is love, forgiveness, kindness, generosity, honesty, and wisdom. If we allow this divine spirit, within us, to guide us in all things, we do not need to be concerned with the letter of any law, religious or otherwise.

Gay or strait, if we are able to conduct ourselves according to the divine spirit within us as expressed in the above characteristics, we need not be concerned with religious rules and admonishments. However, gay or strait, if we do not acknowledge, submit to, and embody this divine spirit of God within us, we should then refrain from all sexual actions apart from the purpose of procreation within marriage.

This is how I understand the Christian view on it. However, those Christians who are as yet unable to acknowledge and embody the spirit of Christ within them will not be able to grasp this perspective, and so will reject it.

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

 

[Zaha Torte]

It works both ways. If a sex life is important to you then signing up to be with someone forever and not having sex with that person until after marriage can also be difficult. I saw this a few times, once from a womans point of view who married a very conservative man who had very "old fashioned" beliefs about sex and judging by body type (and things I was told) this man's interest in sex was overall very low (looked like a low testosterone thing). He was not willing to pursue medical help, considered it a non-issue and that was that.
Eventually many years later they separated for various reasons and now always insists on sexual compatibility being established before marriage is considered.
To each their own.

I don't think this would be such an issue if both the bride and groom were virgins before marriage.

Neither would have experienced a "sex life" prior to being committed to one another - therefore no unfair or unrealistic expectations.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The intention of men getting involved in those relationships is more spontaneous.

Even so, that and physiological attraction both in male and females are not caused by relationships but by hormones et cetera. Regardless if a man is spontaneous with a woman or another man, the human make up is the same.

What is the mechanism of relationships leading to a change in sexual attraction both between men and women and men/men and woman/women?

 

[Skywalker]

Even so, that and physiological attraction both in male and females are not caused by relationships but by hormones et cetera. Regardless if a man is spontaneous with a woman or another man, the human make up is the same.

What is the mechanism of relationships leading to a change in sexual attraction both between men and women and men/men and woman/women?

Why is there a different term for female homosexuality than male homosexuality?

 

[Zaha Torte]

Why is there a different term for female homosexuality than male homosexuality?

I always wondered about that too.

 

[Skywalker]

I always wondered about that too.

I think it's because one is more of a choice. The term sapphist came from Greece, but the word lesbian existed before the island of lesbos.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why is there a different term for female homosexuality than male homosexuality?

They're not. Men and women have the same cause of attraction (hormones, nerves, and all of that-butterflies). Our hormonal responses react to different people-some men, some women, some both. How men and women respond are different (erection, etc). The nature of the response is the same (physiological and psychological).

Relationships is a choice. It's a preference that straight women want to date straight men, gay women want to date another gay woman, and so on. But in both, same cause of response just different objects in which our bodies respond.

Relationships don't cause physiological reactions. They are usually a result from a person's attractions not the cause of it.

Aka. You got it backwards.

 

[Skywalker]

They're not. Men and women have the same cause of attraction (hormones, nerves, and all of that-butterflies). Our hormonal responses react to different people-some men, some women, some both. How men and women respond are different (erection, etc). The nature of the response is the same (physiological and psychological).

Relationships is a choice. It's a preference that straight women want to date straight men, gay women want to date another gay woman, and so on. But in both, same cause of response just different objects in which our bodies respond.

Relationships don't cause physiological reactions. They are usually a result from a person's attractions not the cause of it.

Aka. You got it backwards.

That women might be closer to each other than men are to each other, is why women being gay is more of a choice.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That women might be closer to each other than men are to each other, is why women being gay is more of a choice.

No. Women are more affection with each other than men are. But affection isn't the same as attraction.

For example, two girls who are best friends may be affectionate with each other-especially depending on their culture. But when they talk about boys, they tend to perk up because they are attracted to boys even though they are affectionate with their best friend.

In American culture, two men being affectionate (but not gay) is taboo and considered socially inappropriate. Though men "could" be affectionate just as the two girls above, that doesn't make them gay. It just means they can have drinks together and talk about the last girl they saw last Friday.

So, yes, women are more affectionate than men but that's not physiological attraction. That's more emotional and platonic connection. So, there's no sex involved and no relationship because the affection isn't based on that.

For example, you can be affectionate with someone of your same sex but at the same time you guys/gals can talk about the next cute person of the opposite sex. Who you're attracted to is not always who you are affected with.

Likewise with lust. Many straight people and couples have lustful relationship and groups et cetera. That doesn't mean the parties are gay (have a predominate physiological, emotional, and physiological attraction) to the same sex. It just means they want to have fun.

 

[Skywalker]

No. Women are more affection with each other than men are. But affection isn't the same as attraction.

For example, two girls who are best friends may be affectionate with each other-especially depending on their culture. But when they talk about boys, they tend to perk up because they are attracted to boys even though they are affectionate with their best friend.

In American culture, two men being affectionate (but not gay) is taboo and considered socially inappropriate. Though men "could" be affectionate just as the two girls above, that doesn't make them gay. It just means they can have drinks together and talk about the last girl they saw last Friday.

So, yes, women are more affectionate than men but that's not physiological attraction. That's more emotional and platonic connection. So, there's no sex involved and no relationship because the affection isn't based on that.

For example, you can be affectionate with someone of your same sex but at the same time you guys/gals can talk about the next cute person of the opposite sex. Who you're attracted to is not always who you are affected with.

Likewise with lust. Many straight people and couples have lustful relationship and groups et cetera. That doesn't mean the parties are gay (have a predominate physiological, emotional, and physiological attraction) to the opposite sex. It just means they want to have fun.

Women being more affectionate is why their sexuality is more diverse than men, who usually are attracted to just men or women.

 

[Darkstorn]

Why is there a different term for female homosexuality than male homosexuality?

There isn't in any formal way.

All of those word usages are colloquial, usually by the groups themselves. Note: I am not homosexual(i am in fact pansexual!) but i do know some history of the terms. Firstly, as you probably know, "gay" used to mean "happy, cheery" etc. Around the 60's homosexual males chose to use the term to describe themselves; Likely to reclaim it after it was being used as pejorative. The word "queer" arose with similar connotations: It was originally used as an insult. The community later chose to reclaim the term and defuse its original intention.

The word "lesbian" used to mean "things from Lesbos," especially wine, until the early 19th century. After that point its meaning shifted to "mentally ill woman with non-traditional gender role," likely influenced by Sappho's writings, though at that time it had nothing to do with sexuality, just gender roles. The use by female homosexuals is relatively recent, like "gay." The difference is that it still doesn't universally mean "female homosexual" to everyone, and there is some resistance to the word. To some people, that i personally know, it still means "woman with non-traditional gender role" and some of the self-described lesbians are actually bisexual.

TLDR: They were words used by other people, then later reclaimed and subverted. But the fact is:

In formal language, the ONLY word used to describe a homosexual in terms of sexual orientation is "homosexual." Everything else is colloquial. I know you'll be shocked to hear this: Women and men have through-out history been treated differently. Therefore different terms. Equality is a relatively recent concept.

/E: As far as the poll goes, i believe neither in chastity, or marriage, so i'm going to asnwer "no."

 

[Skywalker]

There isn't in any formal way.

All of those word usages are colloquial, usually by the groups themselves. Note: I am not homosexual(i am in fact pansexual!) but i do know some history of the terms. Firstly, as you probably know, "gay" used to mean "happy, cheery" etc. Around the 60's homosexual males chose to use the term to describe themselves; Likely to reclaim it after it was being used as pejorative. The word "queer" arose with similar connotations: It was originally used as an insult. The community later chose to reclaim the term and defuse its original intention.

The word "lesbian" used to mean "things from Lesbos," especially wine, until the early 19th century. After that point its meaning shifted to "mentally ill woman with non-traditional gender role," likely influenced by Sappho's writings, though at that time it had nothing to do with sexuality, just gender roles. The use by female homosexuals is relatively recent, like "gay." The difference is that it still doesn't universally mean "female homosexual" to everyone, and there is some resistance to the word. To some people, that i personally know, it still means "woman with non-traditional gender role" and some of the self-described lesbians are actually bisexual.

TLDR: They were words used by other people, then later reclaimed and subverted. But the fact is:

In formal language, the ONLY word used to describe a homosexual in terms of sexual orientation is "homosexual." Everything else is colloquial. I know you'll be shocked to hear this: Women and men have through-out history been treated differently. Therefore different terms. Equality is a relatively recent concept.

/E: As far as the poll goes, i believe neither in chastity, or marriage, so i'm going to asnwer "no."

Was it used that way in a gender neutral sense?

I remember someone said that Michael Jackson looked like a lesbian. That didnt mean that he looked like a homosexual or butch or femme woman, they meant a woman with non traditional gender roles.

 

[Darkstorn]

Was it used that way in a gender neutral sense?

No. Its meaning was invented by men to describe women who wouldn't fit their "tradtional views." I.E an independent woman. Whoever said that of Michael Jackson was simply being mean.