Poll: Should Rubiales resign?

[PureX]

They won't be able to put the national team on the pitch till he goes; they won't play.

Well, that's their choice. But I think there is a greater issue that needs to be served: that kind of abusive belligerence should not be tolerated or rewarded.

 

[Secret Chief]

Well, that's their choice. But I think there is a greater issue that needs to be served: that kind of abusive belligerence should not be tolerated or rewarded.

I agree. What I meant was the greater issue will be pushed in the right direction by this unfolding event.

 

[Father Heathen]

There's difference between sexual (also known as lustful kiss) kiss and friendly kiss (which is often given to friends).
I have watched the video, and it was a demonstration of friendship and appreciation.
There was nothing sexual in it. It lasted less than a second.
It's like when you kiss your friend.

That said...a person can feel uncomfortable and awkward if they are even hugged by friends. Let alone be kissed on the lips for a second or less.
I think he should apologize and tell her he won't do that again.

But resigning is absolutely disproportionate to the seriousness of the act, which is clearly an act of affection. And not of lust.

That doesn't make any difference. You don't touch or place your mouth on another person unless they welcome it.

 

[Father Heathen]

I wonder if such intransigence would be present, had he kissed a male soccer player.

If Rubiales had been a woman, would you have thought the same?

It makes no difference either way. Why would it?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Most will probably know what happened at the end of the Women's World Cup football final by now - where the Spanish FA president, Luis Rubiales, kissed a female player on the lips and apparently without her consent (her view) - given that such things are not expected by players and tend to be seen rather differently than mere hugging - with the latter not seen as that inappropriate.

So do you think he should resign despite his apparent defiant stance?

Yes, I think he should resign or be fired. His "apology" included justification of what he did, and he has insisted on not resigning and on excusing his actions instead of fully acknowledging the problem.

 

[Estro Felino]

That doesn't make any difference. You don't touch or place your mouth on another person unless they welcome it.

I will never say what he did was good.
No...it was absolutely inappropriate and wrong, on so many levels.

Nevertheless, public apologies should suffice.

This is my personal opinion, of course.

If I were kissed by my employer, a woman, I would vomit...so...I do understand her.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Thank you for answering.
But I doubt American Feminists would have asked for a woman's dismissal, just because of that.
Not only I doubt it. I am pretty sure they wouldn't have done that.

"American feminists" are a large group who don't all have the same opinions.

Also, if Rubiales had kissed a man in the same way or if a woman had done what he did whether to a man or a woman, I think the consequences should have been the exact same as they are now.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I voted yes. And I admit feeling some positivity at the thought that a lot of RF seems to agree with me on this issue, as well.

Thankfully, from what I've read and seen, many, many people outside RF also agree on this.

 

[Secret Chief]

Another step....

"Spain's entire coaching staff from their World Cup win, except for manager Jorge Vilda, have resigned over the Luis Rubiales row.

Assistant managers Montse Tome, Javier Lerga and Eugenio Gonzalo Martin, along with physio Blanca Romero Moraleda and goalkeeper coach Carlos Sanchez, have all quit.
Six others involved with the national side at various age levels have also resigned."

Spain coaching staff resign over Rubiales row

 

[Father Heathen]

This kinda reminds me of: V-J Day in Times Square - Wikipedia which is considered an iconic photograph, but the reality was that the woman was unwillingly grabbed and kissed by the sailor, who was unknown to her.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Given what has happened, and the threats against Hermoso, it is beyond belief that Rubiales seemingly seems to think he can win this. Whatever the reasons as to why he did what he did, he will not win this, especially when most will hardly see the innocent party in this (Hermoso) likely to be lying as to how she experienced the incident or as to how she reported it. It seems to tell more about the macho image of some males.

 

[fantome profane]

I voted yes. But actually I do not think he should be given the opportunity to resign, he should have been fired immediately. No question.

 

[Yerda]

Surely, "I meant no harm, I got carried away in the moment. It was inappropriate and I am sorry" would have sorted this all at the beginning.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If Rubiales had been a woman, would you have thought the same?

I think that humans -- male or female, gay or straight, or any other you'd like to classify them -- living in first world nations should be sensitive to any act involving physical contact with another person. If someone holds their hand out for me to shake, I am always happy to oblige with a firm (but not hard) grip and 3 shakes, no more. I am very, very sensitive about hugging others, even when they appear quite willing and initiate it. I have friends who like to hug, but they are all straight, and as a gay man, who might well find some of them attractive, I am mindful to keep it as "distant" as possible in the circumstance.

 

[Secret Chief]

I am mindful to keep it as "distant" as possible in the circumstance.

Do you mind if I ask you why?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Do you mind if I ask you why?

My own feeling that I might be violating someone else's personal space. That feeling comes from inside me, of course, because I am gay. A great example, one of my great friends, father of two of my favourite kids, is also somebody that I happen to be hugely attracted to. He's always been a hugger, and early in the relationship I was very conscious of how attractive he was, and how much I really wanted to hug -- and it was that desire in myself that said to me, "therefore, do not!"

Our personal feelings do colour our actions. And if we're mindful, we can make sure that they colour our actions in the most appropriate way.

 

[Revoltingest]

I voted <other>.
Those Europeans seem prone to more touching
& PDA than I like. But that appears to be changing.
He's clearly on notice that his smooch was very
wrong. Let him learn from this, & sin no more.
But if he does it again, give'm the ax.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I voted <other>.
Those Europeans seem prone to more touching
& PDA than I like. But that appears to be changing.
He's clearly on notice that his smooch was very
wrong. Let him learn from this, & sin no more.
But if he does it again, give'm the ax.

Reasonable, I think. But really, we all should no better by now, shouldn't we?

 

[Revoltingest]

Reasonable, I think. But really, we all should no better by now, shouldn't we?

Europeans are backward that way.
So I cut them some slack.
But given the players' refusal to play
if he isn't gone, he seems to have
ruined his chance for staying.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I think that humans -- male or female, gay or straight, or any other you'd like to classify them -- living in first world nations should be sensitive to any act involving physical contact with another person.

I agree, except that I would extend the statement to include all nations, not just first-world ones. Having lived in third-world countries my entire life, I believe such mindfulness and respect of personal space are essential anywhere.