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Poll: Trump would beat Biden today

F1fan

Veteran Member
Exactly, and what's driving oil prices up is because of the global market expanding after coming out of being locked down for so long, and with the price of food it's both the international and national markets recovering economically with more spending taking place: law of supply & demand. The demand is high but the supply is limited, thus higher prices, but that should change over the next several months.
And let's not forget the impact of climate change. Droughts, fires, floods, all causing problems globally. Conservatives want stability but none of the policies that help create that stability, as if stability is magic. Can't have it both ways.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Source: Regrets: Trump would beat Biden today, more women and blacks support

My thoughts: First I want to see more polls before jumping to conclusions. But I agree that Biden has had to make some tough decisions. I'm both surprised, and not surprised, by this article. I do have my concerns about a 2024 picture in which Trump becomes President, should things get any more noisy on all sides than they were 2016-2020. I don't think we need more noisiness on either side, in the exact same way things have been. But that's just my opinion. Can't blame Trump for all of it - just some. Much like one can blame Biden for a few things, too.
I don't think it matters much.

People haven't much choice anymore in choosing their leadership.

Rather, it's chosen for them and it's out of reach for the common person to invoke any kind of change to improve this two party monopoly we have now into something past that which would make a difference.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I just remember the economy doing a lot better under Trump, before they wrecked it with the lockdowns.
Trump had the advantage of a lot of stability from the Obama years. Our chaos today has a lot to do with the effects of trump policies: the lack of a pandemic response, the deal with he made directly with the Taliban and a evacuation agreement, failure to ramp up green energy, etc. And it was trump's poor handling of the pandemic that led to frequent lockdowns that ended up causing mass unemployment and closed businesses. Did you forget? Now we are seeing the trump-style policies doing damage in red states, with huge infection rates of Covid as mask mandates are rejected. The republicans offer the USA a recipe for death and more economic disintegration. Is it deliberate to make Biden look bad?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Look at prices now.

Each and every time Democrats take charge, the cost of everything suddenly skyrockets.
You're conflating cause & effect and substituting partisan politics. It is mainly the opening of markets internationally and domestically as the pandemic lessened that has driven up prices. Supply is picking up but the lack of enough lower-wage earners and also the uncertainty of future events with covid that are the main causes. Once burned, places of business are being very cautious so as to not get burned again.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You're conflating cause & effect and substituting partisan politics. It is mainly the opening of markets internationally and domestically as the pandemic lessened that has driven up prices. Supply is picking up but the lack of enough lower-wage earners and also the uncertainty of future events with covid that are the main causes. Once burned, places of business are being very cautious so as to not get burned again.
I'd like to think that but it's happened too many times now to be a coincidence.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I just remember the economy doing a lot better under Trump, before they wrecked it with the lockdowns.
And lockdowns were necessary to help save lives and prevent the spread of Covid which was not being taken seriously by the trump administration. Your grievances seems to be typical right wing extremist disinformation.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
And lockdowns were necessary to help save lives and prevent the spread of Covid which was not being taken seriously by the trump administration. Your grievances seems to be typical right wing extremist disinformation.
Okay, Borg. :rolleyes:

Yeah, only "right wing extremists" (wtf does that mean?) would object to having the economy wrecked, millions of people out of work, suicide, mental illness, drug abuse and OD rates soaring, violence soaring, homelessness up, a huge amount of kids failing school, etc. And they were useless, anyway, because millions of people in the US alone were out protesting, rioting, looting and so on in the streets with no social distancing or masks, while being tear gassed and maced. But that's okay, right? :rolleyes:
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Look at prices now.

Each and every time Democrats take charge, the cost of everything suddenly skyrockets.
If the Democrats were to do something it would be to offset inflation. But they are letting the free market do it's thing, and conservatives ***** about the free market doing its thing. Can't have it both ways.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If the Democrats were to do something it would be to offset inflation. But they are letting the free market do it's thing, and conservatives ***** about the free market doing its thing. Can't have it both ways.
It's a rich man's world.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
And too many middle class conservative voters are keeping it that way. And they'll end up paying for it like everyone else.
So what has the left done so far? All talk, no action.

Why?

They like keeping it that way just as much.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
So what has the left done so far? All talk, no action.
What they are doing is talking to republicans to get some bipartisan support for legislation that will help the USA move forward. Republicans are largely indifferent. I'm not is they intend to sabotage America to sabotage Biden's presidency, or if they just work for the wealthy and want the middle class to remain in its status quo of barely getting by. Since 2015 the GOP has been in a downward spiral and it's taking conservative voters with them, and in many cases the rest of the USA.
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
I refuse to believe Americans would be that callous and/or stupid twice. (But in my heart of hearts, I know it's not out of the question.)
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
So what has the left done so far? All talk, no action.

Why?

They like keeping it that way just as much.
What I want to know is why conservative voters keep voting for representatives that give tax cuts to the wealthy and cut funding for our nation's infrastructure and other necessities. The middle class keeps getting hit with higher local taxes, like property taxes, because federal grants are drying up and there's less local money to keep up with the demands of improving services and infrastructure. So this approach will end up costing all of us more, and our income taxes won't come down as generously as the wealthy get.
 

Friend of Mara

Active Member
I agree with that. However, not all "contests" are decided purely democratically. If you ever compete in a cooking contest, you may find that to be true, for example.
The fact that rural areas and conservative states have an unfair and bolstered EC value despite actual citizenship advantage isn't really the same as a cooking contest. Its kind of like being graded on a curve while everyone else doesn't get the curve. Its why we have had exactly 1 republican win the popular vote in my lifetime and yet have served 3 presidential terms. Its a glaring mockery of democracy and if it were flipped republicans would fight tooth and nail to end it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I agree with that. However, not all "contests" are decided purely democratically. If you ever compete in a cooking contest, you may find that to be true, for example.
A cooking contest up to a point becomes subjective. An election doesn't.
I suspect the poll has ulterior motives, because the entire angle of having the election today is a very useless question as the election is done. Of course things are different. We were seeing many days with 2,000 and 3000 deaths a day with covid, 4000 a few days. Now we are in an upswing. That changes everything.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
But that still means he won an election though, as those were the rules.

So he won one out of two elections.
And he's lost a great deal of support since then. Only the lunas still think he's their savior, now.
 
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