RestlessSoul
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Why do people do shameful things in secret? Because they’re ashamed, I suppose.
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Poll: Who will be president?
- Thread starter Watchmen
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Why do people do shameful things in secret? Because they’re ashamed, I suppose.
Heyo
Veteran Member
But why do they do them? I get it when they have an urge, like masturbation. I understand it when they have a monetary incentive, like stealing. But voting for Trump when you know it is shameful?
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
I don't know the answer to that, but a similar phenomenon has been identified in the UK. 'Shy Tories' don't want to admit to voting for what has been labelled, by one of their own, as 'The Nasty Party', but do so in the privacy of the voting booth, prseumably because they think it's in their interests.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I never said they were ashamed.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Thanks ever so. I am not going to vote for the lesser of two evils by the way.
Actually I respect that, but I view it as a framing question.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
No question there.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
There is something to be said for Clizby's point, but I don't think it is so much the fear of being called nasty names. It is the resentment they feel at having been disrespected, ignored, and made to feel helpless. Anger, resentment, grievance, and outright hatred are the main campaign themes in Donald Trump's speeches. Voting for him, and maybe getting him shoved down the throats of people they despise must give a feeling of satisfaction, empowerment, and revenge to those who resonate with Trump's grievances. He often tells his supporters that he is just like them--a scapegoat for the haters on the left--and that he will protect and satisfy them. The woke crowd are exposing them to dangers from immigrants and influencing children and adults to undergo sex change operations, among other things. So they vote for him. Never mind that the changes he brings will not be the ones they expect.
Considering the ratio of "Let's Go Brandon" bumper stickers to any sort of "**** Trump" bumper stickers, I think this is unlikely.
Trump's voter base tends to skew toward demographics who more reliably make the conversion from "likely voter" to "actual voter."
Ohio sheriff suggests residents keep a list of homes with Harris yard signs
Portage County Sheriff Bruce Zuchowski used anti-immigrant rhetoric and denounced both the vice president and her supporters.
www.nbcnews.com
This is only one example of intimidation of Harris voters. There may be more Harris voters who will not admit to being Harris voters for this reason. There may be people who have always been Republicans who are not comfortable telling their friends and family that this year they are voting for a Democrat.
I am not making predictions. I am only saying that predictions of Trump overperforming the polls may or may not be correct.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
But Trump could overperform and still lose. That is what happened in 2020. He got more votes than he had in the past, but Biden got a lot more. I expect both candidates to overperform. Turning out the vote in swing states is probably where the real battle will be fought. That is why attempts at voter suppression in this election cycle have been so blatant and frequent around the country. The infiltration of Trump supporters into the election machinery is another wild card.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is a bit of a relief. Polls can be shifted at times depending upon how questions are asked and who is asked. There is no good explanation for why Trump would be gaining at all. If anything his increased dementia should be causing huge drops.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is likely to be the opposite this time around. We have seen that in a few elections. First off in 2022 the Republican grossly underperformed compared to the polls. You probably forgot all of the predictions of a Red Tide that totally failed to appear. That may be because of America's inherent prudishness. Abortion is an important issue for many and people often do not let that be known publicly. But the let it be known in the polls. Both Kansas and Ohio were huge surprises when it came to abortion rights.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Supporters of fascism tend to think they should keep quiet about it.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
You shouldn't say Trump is a wan***.
Maybe. It depends on how the poll numbers are presented, in terms of votes, or percentage of votes.
But I think you are right; voter turnout will be huge this year. Any other time I would say that is good, and it is good, but I know it is because people are absolutely terrified, and that is not good.
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Pogo
Well-Known Member
Drinking to much Vodka? or was there a word that got away?
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
2022 did contradict conventional wisdom, which suggested that the president's party would tend to lose votes. I do believe that the abortion issue was a big part of that, but we are in a presidential cycle now. Trump has made immigration a huge issue, and Harris has not been effective at blunting it. Abortion is still a factor, but it is not at the front of every voter's mind right now. Probably the assault on democracy looms larger when it comes to what drives Democrats to vote. Trump poses a real danger to it, and the public is definitely split over how serious that danger is. The thing about immigration is that there is an undercurrent of racism to it. Most voters are white, and white grievance over antidiscrimination efforts is felt strongly in many areas. I know that it is especially strong in Ohio, which used to be more of a swing state. It is a factor in most of the battleground states.
Not enough vodka. But the missing word was "terrified". I repeat "terrified".
(maybe the word got scared and ran away)