Polls and political markets before and after 1st Republican debate

[robocop (actually)]

OK... it starts in less than two hours. Here are the values...

predictit Republican nominee Trump 58 Ramaswamy 21 DeSantis 15 Christie 8 Scott 7 Haley 4 Youngkin 4 Pence 2

fivethirtyeight Republican poll of polls Trump 52.1 DeSantis 15.2 Ramaswamy 9.7 Pence 4.3 Scott 3.6 Haley 3.4 Christie 3.3

Real Clear Politics national: Trump 55.4 DeSantis 14.3 Ramaswamy 7.2 Pence 4.0

Real Clear Politics betting average Republican nominee Trump 60.7 Ramaswamy 13.5 DeSantis 10.0 Scott 3.3

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Thanks for this.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Mmm... first hour... sometimes slimy, but I liked it.

 

[robocop (actually)]

predictit Donald Trump 58 Ron De Santis 17 Vivek Ramaswamy 16 Nikki Haley 6 Chris Christie 5 Tim Scott 4



amazing that in a few minutes one person against 9 can change so many minds.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I guess Ramaswamy won... more polls to come and we will see.

 

[metis]

I guess Ramaswamy won... more polls to come and we will see.

Too bad he literally lied about climate change versus what he said a few months ago that was recorded.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Too bad he literally lied about climate change versus what he said a few months ago that was recorded.

I'd like to hear what he said. Calling it a wet rag is just an emotional statement.

 

[F1fan]

I'd like to hear what he said. Calling it a wet rag is just an emotional statement.

i saw him interviewed a few times before the debate. He said that if he is elected his economic olicies with other nations will be to eliminate all climate related agreements and open up free trade. He considers climate agreements to limit global economies and is useless. He cites China and other nations who don't have standards, and that it is unfair.

At the debate he said climate change is a hoax. He got a lot of applause for that quip. To my mind it disqualifies him for office. His priority is wealth and rich people, not citizens or the future.

 

[robocop (actually)]

i saw him interviewed a few times before the debate. He said that if he is elected his economic olicies with other nations will be to eliminate all climate related agreements and open up free trade. He considers climate agreements to limit global economies and is useless. He cites China and other nations who don't have standards, and that it is unfair.

At the debate he said climate change is a hoax. He got a lot of applause for that quip. To my mind it disqualifies him for office. His priority is wealth and rich people, not citizens or the future.

That's terrible!

His ten truths are all centered around greed anyway.

 

[F1fan]

That's terrible!

His ten truths are all centered around greed anyway.

That was my take away listening to him. His policies are all geared to make money for a select few, and nothing about the nation as a whole. I'm stunned that he has the popularity he does. I suspect it is due to his relaxed nature and bombast. I can't see him getting anywhere in this process. Just theater.

 

[robocop (actually)]

That was my take away listening to him. His policies are all geared to make money for a select few, and nothing about the nation as a whole. I'm stunned that he has the popularity he does. I suspect it is due to his relaxed nature and bombast. I can't see him getting anywhere in this process. Just theater.

But the Bible says not to complain if you are being oppressed in your work conditions.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

But the Bible says not to complain if you are being oppressed in your work conditions.

While the Bible might say that, I'd say there's also something to be said of being careful of that work. Otherwise, one can justify working a job that can also cause people to sin, or do all sorts of unethical things.

Though, I'm not sure how my point relates to the candidate, or if it does.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I guess Ramaswamy won... more polls to come and we will see.

That's kind of what I've been hearing in the news lately. The news claims that it also looked like Ron Desantis lost the debate.

 

[metis]

I'd like to hear what he said. Calling it a wet rag is just an emotional statement.

I read this morning from another source that this wasn't the only time or topic that he contradicted what he had said earlier. Maybe I could google it, but later.

 

[robocop (actually)]

That was my take away listening to him. His policies are all geared to make money for a select few, and nothing about the nation as a whole. I'm stunned that he has the popularity he does. I suspect it is due to his relaxed nature and bombast. I can't see him getting anywhere in this process. Just theater.

F1fan, I'm going to get on you. Are you willing to ban abortion after the fetus can feel pain to get a Democrat gain? (12-15 weeks)

 

[wellwisher]

Too bad he literally lied about climate change versus what he said a few months ago that was recorded.

Climate change is run by the same people who ran the Russian Collusion hoax and coup. It is the same group that censors and still uses an injustice system to target political opponents. How can they be trusted? If this group had a track record of honesty and not running scams, I would give them the benefit of the doubt but I would still use critical thinking and not accept group think like was used in the Russian collision hoax. The same mob who fell for that are now the cheerleaders of man made climate change. There is pattern.

The latest argument I have against the hoax of man made climate change is connected to El Niño. Up to recently, before the latest fake news propaganda started a new misinformation campaign, El Niño was assumed responsible for the various climate changes, such as the continue drought in California. The large pooling of warm water caused by El Niño alters the atmospheric patterns.

El Niño was first discovered in 1600's centuries before science started to keep records in about 1880. Climate change was already in affect before the Industrial Age ,by the same El Niño affect we see today. It could have been around even longer. Science does not have data from even 1600 to 1880, to factor out a continued El Niño affect. The scam is trying to ignore this gap. Geological data is good with longer term patterns and may not reflect changes like a one day flood or a hot week that is now used as the poster child for climate change. Science has work to do before we place all the eggs in one basket led by the Master's of deceptions.

I believe in climate change, since climate change is natural to the earth. I just don't buy the rotten fish being sold by those who divided the US with their Russian Collusion Coup and fake news blitzkrieg. They are too prepared to run other scams, using the same textbook tactics. Climate change feels like 2016 all over again; oversell fear and hate.

 

[metis]

Climate change is run by the same people who ran the Russian Collusion hoax and coup...

I don't know if the above is based on ignorance of the actual science, or dishonesty, or a combination of the above. Either way, the research from non-political sources is very clear.

As a scientist, I have followed the research on this for several decades now, and let me just say that you simply are allowing yourself to be brainwashed by those who want the status quo because of financial interests.

You probably won't read this, but here: Climate change - Wikipedia

Also: Climate change denial - Wikipedia

However, if you want to continue to be ignorant and/or dishonest on the subject, clearly that's your choice.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Vivek did say he wants to mitigate climate change.

 

[wellwisher]

i saw him interviewed a few times before the debate. He said that if he is elected his economic olicies with other nations will be to eliminate all climate related agreements and open up free trade. He considers climate agreements to limit global economies and is useless. He cites China and other nations who don't have standards, and that it is unfair.

At the debate he said climate change is a hoax. He got a lot of applause for that quip. To my mind it disqualifies him for office. His priority is wealth and rich people, not citizens or the future.

The USA contributes 14% of the total manmade global CO2. Yet the Democrats want the USA to sends $trillions around the world to be skimmed. This is the dirty secret.

Until and unless the other 86% does its fair share, this is money grab. The USA cannot reduce enough CO2, to offset China and India. We can do 14% max and then the country collapses. The Democrat plan is to hurt our economy, while China get to build the old fashion way, without constraints. This is not rational, unless the leaders in the Democrat party expect to get skim or kickback, so they can be set for life.

This bonehead solution is why I have suggested taming the fires in Africa to lower the natural CO2 as an offset. CO2 can come from anywhere and be affective. The annual African wild fires make trillions of tons of CO2 each year. Even a 10% reduction is huge. China and India would both want to invest in this offset; constructive zero sum game.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The USA contributes 14% of the total manmade global CO2. Yet the Democrats want the USA to sends $trillions around the world to be skimmed. This is the dirty secret.

Until and unless the other 86% does its fair share, this is money grab. The USA cannot reduce enough CO2, to offset China and India. We can do 14% max and then the country collapses. The Democrat plan is to hurt our economy, while China get to build the old fashion way, without constraints. This is not rational, unless the leaders in the Democrat party expect to get skim or kickback, so they can be set for life.

This bonehead solution is why I have suggested taming the fires in Africa to lower the natural CO2 as an offset. CO2 can come from anywhere and be affective. The annual African wild fires make trillions of tons of CO2 each year. Even a 10% reduction is huge. China and India would both want to invest in this offset; constructive zero sum game.

Gotta love this! We're destroying the only planet we have to live on, but if the other guy won't do his bit, why should we?

Of course, the upshot of such thinking is that it will only make the end come that much sooner. Congratulations, I guess, on not prolonging the suffering.