Pope makes eejits of the Church again.

[Caladan]

“anal intercourse, penile or otherwise, traumatizes the soft tissues of the rectal lining. These tissues... are nowhere near as sturdy as vaginal tissue. As a consequence, the lining of the rectum is almost always traumatized to some degree by any act of anal intercourse. Even in the absence of major trauma, minor or microscopic tears in the rectal lining allow for immediate contamination and the entry of germs into the bloodstream.” -Dr. Satinover J, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Baker, 1997, page 67

Does it stop with anal sex? what about oral sex? what about 'kinky' sexual acts in general? are they all harmful? at what point do we decide that sexuality should not be expressed but be used solely for procreation?

 

[Caladan]

i am surprised anyones surprised, what the heck would you expect him to say?

Well pope John Paul kissed the Qur'an, things change. although you are right in the sense that Ratzinger does things differently.

 

[Smoke]

“anal intercourse, penile or otherwise, traumatizes the soft tissues of the rectal lining. These tissues... are nowhere near as sturdy as vaginal tissue. As a consequence, the lining of the rectum is almost always traumatized to some degree by any act of anal intercourse. Even in the absence of major trauma, minor or microscopic tears in the rectal lining allow for immediate contamination and the entry of germs into the bloodstream.” -Dr. Satinover J, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Baker, 1997, page 67

Gee, I'm impressed. A book by a noted crackpot and Bible Code enthusiast, published by an Evangelical publishing house. I couldn't ask for a more objective source than that.

 

[kai]

Well pope John Paul kissed the Qur'an, things change. although you are right in the sense that Ratzinger does things differently.

he did ?what for?



p.s. i had a quick look on the net for details and my theres a lot of crap about that out there,

 

[Caladan]

he did ?what for?



p.s. i had a quick look on the net for details and my theres a lot of crap about that out there,

He did it as a show of respect. and the on line 'crap' about that is nothing to be surprised about.

 

[emiliano]

Zeig Heil!

*snaps jackboot heels & does smart salute*

what about all the gay & lesbian christians Emil?

I say epop is a wee desperadoe.

There are no lesbian or homosexual Christians, there is not such thing as practicing homosexuals or a lesbians in Christianity.

 

[Magic Man]

“anal intercourse, penile or otherwise, traumatizes the soft tissues of the rectal lining. These tissues... are nowhere near as sturdy as vaginal tissue. As a consequence, the lining of the rectum is almost always traumatized to some degree by any act of anal intercourse. Even in the absence of major trauma, minor or microscopic tears in the rectal lining allow for immediate contamination and the entry of germs into the bloodstream.” -Dr. Satinover J, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Baker, 1997, page 67

And? So when a man and a woman do it, it's suddenly less risky or harmful? (And I'm referring to the same act, not vaginal intercourse)

 

[Magic Man]

There are no lesbian or homosexual Christians, there is not such thing as practicing homosexuals or a lesbians in Christianity.

You might want to get out into the world. There are plenty such Christians. There's a whole world out there, learn about it.

 

[emiliano]

You might want to get out into the world. There are plenty such Christians. There's a whole world out there, learn about it.

Funny one, Balls !
acording to what tenets? The porcentage of homosexual in the general population is about 3% so what chance are there that I'll find one that think that he is a Christian? Not very likely say I.

 

[Caladan]

what chance are there that I'll find one that think that he is a Christian? Not very likely say I.

GayChristian.Net: The Gay Christian Network

 

[Magic Man]

Funny one, Balls !
acording to what tenets? The porcentage of homosexual in the general population is about 3% so what chance are there that I'll find one that think that he is a Christian? Not very likely say I.

Huh? What does the percentage of the population they are have to do with it? Again, there's a whole world out there. Get out of your house and check it out. Hopefully you'll learn something.

By the way, I think it's funny that you "think you're Christian", when all you're doing is spreading intolerance, fear and hate. That's not in keeping with Jesus's teachings last time I checked. So, be careful who you call "not a Christian".

 

[gnomon]

There are no lesbian or homosexual Christians, there is not such thing as practicing homosexuals or a lesbians in Christianity.

There are many.

Your view is simply prejudiced.

 

[Dunemeister]

By the way, I think it's funny that you "think you're Christian", when all you're doing is spreading intolerance, fear and hate. That's not in keeping with Jesus's teachings last time I checked. So, be careful who you call "not a Christian".

Jesus was very, very intolerant at times. He said hellfire would engulf those who rejected him. He called certain people hypocrites, dogs, liars, and evil. Let's not make Jesus out to be some sort of modern liberal democrat. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Dunemeister]

Getting back to the topic, I haven't noticed a link to what the Pope actually said, verbatim. Is there an online copy of what he said?

 

[Quagmire]

He called certain people hypocrites, ... liars, and evil.. .

Yes, and they were all part of the religious establishment of his day. :yes:

 

[the-flatlander]

Gee, I'm impressed. A book by a noted crackpot and Bible Code enthusiast, published by an Evangelical publishing house. I couldn't ask for a more objective source than that.

A noted crackpot? Why?

Satinover won a National Merit Scholarship to M.I.T, where he obtained a B.S. in 1971. He subsequently obtained his B.S. from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, an Ed.M. in Clinical Psychology and Public Practice from Harvard University, and his M.D. at the University of Texas and later an M.S. in physics at Yale University. He completed psychoanalytic training at the C. G. Jung Institute of Zürich, their youngest-ever graduate. In 2008 he completed a Ph.D. in physics (summa cum laude) at the University of Nice, France.

He practiced clinical psychiatry between 1986 and 2003, and psychoanalysis between 1976 and 2003, early in his career as a Jungian analyst, having trained at the C. G. Jung Institute in Zurich.

He is a past-President of the C. G. Jung Foundation of New York. He is a former fellow (resident) in psychiatry and child Psychiatry at Yale where he was twice awarded the department of psychiatry’s Seymour Lustman Residency Research Prize (2nd place). After twenty-five years in the medical and psychotherapeutic arena, he returned to school.

He is currently conducting research in complex and agent-based systems theory (econophysics, minority game). His areas prior areas of physics research are in fundamental quantum theory and in its application to quantum information processing and computation. Presently he is investigating certain aspects of game theory in complex systems.

He is the author of articles, chapters and books on topics ranging from brain neurophysiology to the psychology of narcissism to the breakdown of modern society. His book The Quantum Brain explores current developments at the interface of physics, computation, artificial intelligence and neuroscience (April, 2001, Wiley). The book is written for a general but well-educated readership.

He has appeared in the media and before various state and federal institutions as a critic of the homosexual movement; he has treated homosexuals seeking a change in sexual attraction, for which he has been criticised. He also played a role in the film What the Bleep Do We Know?!.

Satinover’s previous writings also include "Cracking the Bible Code" (William Morrow & Co., 1996), a critical discussion of modern scientific analyses of the ancient tradition of hidden encryptions in the five books of Moses. It is more importantly the story of one of the most significant and invisible figures of the Holocaust, Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, whose rescue of tens of thousands of Jews from the Nazis, through two years of face-to-face negotiations with Himmler’s and Eichmann’s chief overseers in Eastern Europe, is almost entirely unknown to the world at large. The story of the “codes” provided a cover story for the more important history of Weissmandl. At the same time, the book includes previously undiscovered aspects of Renaissance history. For example, Satinover argues that the early cryptographic encoding wheels that Leon Battista Alberti appears to have come up with “out of nowhere” (as is conventionally stated), are copies of 1st century Kabbalistic devices that Alberti, along with other Neoplatonists and so-called “Christian Kabbalists” of the Florence Academy, Leonardo da Vinci and Giovanni Pico della Mirandola among them, learned directly from Kabbalistic Rabbis of the era.

Satinover’s most widely read and debated book[citation needed] is Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth (Baker Book House, 1996; see Ex-gay) The book is an analysis of the debate over homosexuality viewed from psychological, religious and scientific perspectives. The book …resulted in Satinover being labeled a homophobe, a bigot and a right-wing Christian or Orthodox Jew, depending on the point of view of the critic.

He subsequently authored a number of monographs and critiques on related subjects. His testimony as parts of amicus curiae briefs have been cited in US State and Federal Supreme Court cases. Though not an attorney, he has taught Constitutional Law and Civil Liberties at Princeton on the basis of this background.

Satinover's current scientific research, with Didier Sornette of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (see Stock Market Crash), centers on studies of game theory and in particular the Minority Game, attending to the "illusion of control" in these games.

Satinover was asked to assist key United States Senators and their staffs in the ultimately successful battle to win confirmation for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Emmanuel Margolis, the then-president of the Connecticut Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) holds Satinover chiefly responsible for Thomas’ confirmation. A number of Satinover’s public policy speeches are available from C-Span.

A founder of Connecticut’s Committee to Save Our Schools (CT:SOS), Satinover was also active in the mid-1990’s nationwide in the resistance to so-called “Outcomes-Based Education” (i.e., O.B.E., under whatever name or acronym) and associated educational “reforms.” Under his co-leadership, CT:SOS won a significant victory in the Connecticut legislature, defeating a broad-based coalition of government, educational unions and certain major corporations (in particular, Union Carbide) in their attempt to replace local and locally-elected school boards with a single state-appointed board. The CT:SOS program of alternate, traditionalist reforms co-authored by Satinover, “Academic-Based Education”, was ignored in Connecticut but formally adopted at the time by the Board of Education of San Diego, California, then the nation’s sixth largest public school system. See wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Satinover

 

[Smoke]

A noted crackpot? Why?

Satinover won a National Merit Scholarship to M.I.T, [blah, blah, blah]

I know who he is; it wasn't necessary to copy and paste from Wikipedia.

You don't have to be stupid, uneducated, or lacking in connections to the Republican Party to be a crackpot. In fact, intelligence, education and Republican connections are real assets to a crackpot's career.

I called him a crackpot based on his writings on the Bible Code and on homosexuality. His opinions on both are fatuous, and his opinions on homosexuality are discredited. I'm surprised he's not a Creationist -- although he may be one, for all I know.

 

[Sunstone]

There are no lesbian or homosexual Christians, there is not such thing as practicing homosexuals or a lesbians in Christianity.

All Christian mothers are secretly Muslims. (If you can make up "facts", so can the rest of us.)

 

[the-flatlander]

Does it stop with anal sex? what about oral sex? what about 'kinky' sexual acts in general? are they all harmful? at what point do we decide that sexuality should not be expressed but be used solely for procreation?

Are you referring solely to heterosexual acts?

Pardon me for asking, but please define the phrase 'expressing sexuality'. I can think of several different definitions, and I want to be sure I understand where you're at before I answer your questions.

 

[Caladan]

Are you referring solely to heterosexual acts?

does that mean that anal sex between heterosexual people is legitimate but when it is among two males it isnt?

Pardon me for asking, but please define the phrase 'expressing sexuality'. I can think of several different definitions, and I want to be sure I understand where you're at before I answer your questions.

we can start with you addressing oral sex...