Popes visit to the UK

[Revoltingest]

What I find particularly confusing is people's willingness to stay loyal and obedient to an institution with a long and persistent history of raping children and covering it up.

That's what really burns my biscuits! Ratzy should be rotting jail with many of his brethren
for his role in covering up & enabling sexual abuse of thousands of children.....IMO.

 

[xkatz]

Take the "***" out of "******" though

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

He is a head of state and head of the Church of millions of people, i welcome him as such ,i don't have to like him or his organisation though. How come its costing so much ? do we pay when other dignitaries come or what?

We do pay for the security and ceremonial elements of official state visits.

This Popes vist, unlike the last one, has been declared a State Visit.

So we mugs are paying....

 

[Duck]

Pope XV1 to visit the UK BBC News - Pope Benedict XVI blesses UK population ahead of visit and will be met by a protest by Protest the Pope,although this will be a peaceful demonstration i totally agree with them .

For those who do not know what Protest the Pope is Protest The Pope

Wasn't Peter Tatchell planning to try and present a summons to court or some such during this visit?

NM, looking up to make sure I spelled his name (Tatchell's) I just saw that since this is a State Visit (Benny as Vatican State, vice Pope) Benny will have sovereign immunity, and thus won't be under British law jurisdiction. Pity that.

 

[Duck]

We do pay for the security and ceremonial elements of official state visits.

This Popes vist, unlike the last one, has been declared a State Visit.

So we mugs are paying....

I had read that the original estimated cost for security and such was 10 billion pounds. I later read (and don't have a link, sorry) that due to threats of protest and all, that costs had more than doubled. Ouch.

 

[England my lionheart]

Wasn't Peter Tatchell planning to try and present a summons to court or some such during this visit?

NM, looking up to make sure I spelled his name (Tatchell's) I just saw that since this is a State Visit (Benny as Vatican State, vice Pope) Benny will have sovereign immunity, and thus won't be under British law jurisdiction. Pity that.

He was but i think thats been axed andi agree its a pity

 

[Smoke]

That's what really burns my biscuits! Ratzy should be rotting jail with many of his brethren
for his role in covering up & enabling sexual abuse of thousands of children.....IMO.

I could understand it if the British government were spending money to place Joey the Rat under arrest and prosecute him for his crimes. It would be a lot cheaper, too.

 

[Misty]

He was but i think thats been axed andi agree its a pity

I agree, but it was a non-starter, imo.

 

[England my lionheart]

I agree, but it was a non-starter, imo.

I think they were happy with getting the intent accross to bring him to book

 

[HonestJoe]

I had read that the original estimated cost for security and such was 10 billion pounds. I later read (and don't have a link, sorry) that due to threats of protest and all, that costs had more than doubled. Ouch.

I suspect that figure (and the ones in the OP) are more down to the media's love of big round figures than any link with the reality of the costs. I'm certainly not denying there will be a significant cost of a state visit but to trust any of the totally unattributed and speculative estimates (e.g. pick a number and double it) is foolish.

 

[England my lionheart]

I suspect that figure (and the ones in the OP) are more down to the media's love of big round figures than any link with the reality of the costs. I'm certainly not denying there will be a significant cost of a state visit but to trust any of the totally unattributed and speculative estimates (e.g. pick a number and double it) is foolish.

Really i'm not bothered by the financial cost,its the cost of Human suffering that concerns me

 

[autonomous1one1]

I had read that the original estimated cost for security and such was 10 billion pounds. I later read (and don't have a link, sorry) that due to threats of protest and all, that costs had more than doubled. Ouch.

Greetings. Maybe UK currency is baffling but the following article says 1m pounds doesn't it? That's about 3 cents a person in US terms isn't it. Of course this is only for security, maybe the time of humans adds up to billions?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11249443.

Pretty much how i feel although there are these which concern me most and what the Catholic Church are responsible for

1. opposing the distribution of condoms and so increasing large families in poor countries and the spread of AIDS
2. promoting segregated education
3. denying abortion to even the most vulnerable women
4. opposing equal rights for lesbians, gay, bisexual and transgender people
5. failing to address the many cases of abuse of children within its own organisation.
6. rehabilitating the holocaust denier bishop Richard Williamson and the appeaser of Hitler, the war-time Pope, Pius XII.

All of these are a disgrace IMO

Good set of issues, but from one perspective one could honor the position and invite the Pope happily to make opportunity to discuss them. Presumably, one would have to work hard to get these onto the table for any discussion and identification of concerns, or do you think there is enough power for them to get to the table easily in the UK. Are there only about 10% Catholics in England?

 

[LuisDantas]

promoting segregated education

No argument with any of the others, but this is news to me. Do you have more specific info?

Update: Never mind, it's here - http://www.protest-the-pope.org.uk/mr-ratzingers-rap-sheet/

 

[England my lionheart]

Greetings. Maybe UK currency is baffling but the following article says 1m pounds doesn't it? That's about 3 cents a person in US terms isn't it. Of course this is only for security, maybe the time of humans adds up to billions?

BBC News - Cost of policing the Pope's visit to top £1m.

Good set of issues, but from one perspective one could honor the position and invite the Pope happily to make opportunity to discuss them. Presumably, one would have to work hard to get these onto the table for any discussion and identification of concerns, or do you think there is enough power for them to get to the table easily in the UK. Are there only about 10% Catholics in England?

I very much doubt they will get anywhere near him and i doubt very much that he would even consider answering them.
I'm not sure of the percentage of Catholics in England but their ranks have swelled owing to an influx from Anglicans but 10% sounds right to me.

 

[autonomous1one1]

I very much doubt they will get anywhere near him and i doubt very much that he would even consider answering them.
I'm not sure of the percentage of Catholics in England but their ranks have swelled owing to an influx from Anglicans but 10% sounds right to me.

Yes, 'they' will not get near him but if the power is strong enough they can get an issue or two onto the table through those who do get close, but probably slim chance.

 

[Father Heathen]

That's what really burns my biscuits! Ratzy should be rotting jail with many of his brethren
for his role in covering up & enabling sexual abuse of thousands of children.....IMO.

And the faithful simply look the other way because they know that in the end stuffing their mouths with wafers will make things right.

 

[Quiddity]

It baffles me why this Pope is any more or less hateful (and a number of other things he's called) then the last. I just don't get it.

The previous popes taught the same things this pope is.

 

[Misty]

It baffles me why this Pope is any more or less hateful (and a number of other things he's called) then the last. I just don't get it.

The previous popes taught the same things this pope is.

Yes but Benny lacks his charisma, was a member of the Hitler Youth, and seems to be involved in the child abuse scandal by turning a blind eye to paedophile priests.

 

[England my lionheart]

It baffles me why this Pope is any more or less hateful (and a number of other things he's called) then the last. I just don't get it.

The previous popes taught the same things this pope is.

I agree,he is no worse than the last,its the things he teaches that are the problem,obviously because of his position his remit is to teach those things.

 

[Father Heathen]

It baffles me why this Pope is any more or less hateful (and a number of other things he's called) then the last. I just don't get it.

The previous popes taught the same things this pope is.

If it's any consolation I don't like any of them.